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27-08-2006, 23:18
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Racial Profiling in Go Go
A big bunch of us headed to Pattaya to celebrate our friend Nicks stag nite . It was a mixed group of three italians,a turk,an indian and three irish blokes. Had loads of fun and the first night we made tracks to Happy A Go Go on walking street .
Ijaz(the turk) and Kumar (indian) went up first to the doormen and he immediately shouts "No Entry,Members Only" . After that he had us absolutely aghast when he said the three irish blokes in our party could go in . We told him to go F##K himslef and his racist attitude. We next went to a few other clubs near there...think it was peppermint and Dolls something,same thing happened,the non white guys were not allowed but they were fine with the caucasian lads.same bull about the non whites having to be members .We even asked where the hell do you become a member and he told us "Membership Closed"! This really threw a wet blanket on the whole trip ,we never faced such behavior in Phuket or elsewhere.Racial Profiling is sad and absolutely not to be tolerated.Ijaz my friend,happens to be a travel agent and has forwarded the names of all these clubs to Indian and Middle Eastern travel agents to black mark. Two of us have set up a forum on this issue on several brit and irish webbies and we have forwarded this behavior to several Indian and Arabic channels as well. These bigots should know that racial profiling will not be tolerated by anyone for any reason,be it a Caucasian ,Asian or Arab .We will go all out to hit them where it hurts,the pocket,lets see how they feel about "memberships" when even the "white folk" stop going to these racist bars. |
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27-08-2006, 23:44
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I think I'll make Happy A Go Go my first stop when I go to Pattaya next time, lady drinks galore........Maybe finally I have found a place without Arabs.
Working in Iraq, I can only take so much of them.... Where I work, people with thin skin need not apply. Ok, chill out, Im kidding...
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28-08-2006, 00:08
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It's sad to think you think racist behaviour is a joke...where does it end..how would you like it if we were treated like that in India,China,Middle East etc....someday soon these countries are going to be the new powers.The US where you come from is a largely migrant nation and very soon states like california are going to be majority non white..what than ?
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28-08-2006, 00:16
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Luckily, Im not an American...
Seems like you have done what you came here to do, make people aware of your friends problem, job done. I will not be following your example and boycutting these GoGo's because in my job, I do believe in racial profiling... How many white suicide bombers have blown themselves up the last month? How many non-white have blown themselves up? I wont even bother to find the answer, just watch the news.. Lighten up, Francis !
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28-08-2006, 00:17
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28-08-2006, 00:39
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Lots of other countries have "X only" clubs/bars/whatever, esp the ones where rights laws are not so entrenched as places in Europe, US etc....
And yep I do believe in racial profiling too, when you talk to club owners these policys only exist because they have more trouble than usual with certain races so just implement a complete ban rather than risk the hassle. Lets us know how you got on trying to get into one of the many Japanese or Thai only clubs too..
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28-08-2006, 00:41
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28-08-2006, 01:00
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Gale Nettles, a white American who tried to blow up a court house in Chicago.......so-called "shoe bomber" Richard Reid ......Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.......suicide bomber responsible for the death of three Black Watch soldiers recently
I could go on and on....there are bad sheep in every community regardless of race and creed.Strange to see people immediately jumping in to defend bigots and racist in this forum when everywhere else it was roundly slagged of for what it was..unacceptable behavior..perhaps this explains the behaviour of the white bar owners that told our friends to take a hike. How many turks and indians that you know of are terrorist...? So if the japs and thais go jump off a cliff should we follow?Are we not from the west supposed to be more enlightened? Where do you draw a line? How do you guys like it when you are subject to the same stuff abroad? Last edited by Vindiesel : 28-08-2006 at 01:03. |
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28-08-2006, 01:08
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You my good sir are talking about a white only policy in a very non white country ,Thailand ...What if the Thai chaps refuse to sell property to you,stop you coming in and the thai girls refuse to sleep with you because you are white? Many of these things are already prevalent in their society..like higher prices for us...higher train rates..higher entry rates...etc...how many times I have read on this forum about guys getting pissed of at being charged higher prices than Thai's?Thats racist too...did you like it when it was done to us by the Thai people ?It's hypocritical to slag one off and condone the other. |
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28-08-2006, 01:15
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Im not a racist or at least dont consider myself one....
I have worked too much over the last 18 years all over the world and seen too much to feel that I am superior to others. There are idiots everywhere... However, racial profiling has come in big time since 9/11, thats just the facts of life, how sad it might be. But I guess there is a reason for it. I know I use it about every hour of every day, Im working. And your examples of white suicide bombers....How many of them was in the last month?....There was at least 3 here in Baghdad just today, all Arabs/Mid-Eastern descent...Hmmm... Where Im from clubs also do racial profiling, because in some places, there are certain ethnic groups/gangs that make more trouble than others. Your example with your friends, is sad though, I'll give you that, with a group of guys racially mixed, it really shouldnt be a problem, but its a buyers market, you are free to take your money elsewhere as I will take my money where I want also. I've had great fun in both Happy and Peppermint and will continue to visit them, as long as they got cute Thaigirls working there...(Whenever Im in Pattaya, that is...)
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28-08-2006, 01:23
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Trouble is when you say "How many turks or indians..." is their apperance...looking similar to those from Saudi, Pakistan etc etc you cant know which country they are from.
You mention a few major incidents that involved white terrorism acts, but you have to admit we do not have the same ingrained culture of "Jihad" and terrorism schools training masses of people ready to blow themselves and everyone up!! A few bad sheep in every community, over 25% of UK muslims support/understand suicide bombers..thats several hundred thousand people! Not a case of "a few"... As Lightemup said, look at the news, and you might find an answer as to why we focus on certain groups... It doesnt bother me at all that I would get refused from certain establishments, Ive grown up knowing we are not in some utopian world and never will be...if somewhere doesnt want me Id go elsewhere where I know I would be welcome. On the price issues in Thailand, yeh I admit its anoying being charged more....but I also understand the reasons behind it...
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28-08-2006, 01:36
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Last week this was the exact same issue raised in the news here in Denmark. Most clubs and disco's here in Wonderful Copenhagen do the exact same thing. It's illigal to do so, but still they do it. They normally only let very small groups of non-whites into their clubs (less than 5-10%) and then they require "membership" of the rest. The same thing happens in Sweden, and properly most other countries. And it has nothing to do with terrorisme!
When interviewing the owners of the clubs why the do this, then answer is that they always have problems, when too many non-whites are together in the clubs. I don't consider myself a racist, I deed I have many friends from India, Pakistan and similar places. But I do acknowledge that a majority of them have a cultural background where they simply do not have any respect for women. And mostly that's what's causing the problems in the clubs, and obvious same same in the Thai go-go's. Whereas I do understand that your friends properly are ok, especially when they are with falangs, but how would the doormen know?? So I think it's sad that it has to be this way, but I also think that it's ok!
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28-08-2006, 01:38
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Thanks guys.....atleast now i can see you guys understand where i am coming from...its frustating....its sad to see my friends who are completely innocent having to put up with complete crap like this
I agree its everywhere..thats why i hope that by taking a stand somewhere at least we can do our bit by getting rid of it..e have to start somewhere right... can you imagine how the two lads felt being treated like pariahs infront of their mates by a bunch of thai security people for no reason other than the color of their skin? Francis,you have to take Iraq with a pinch of salt..i'm sure if Britain was invaded by the Rabs or the USA invaded by the chinese we would not be sitting quietly by...can't really blame them...not everyone wants to be "liberated" I do agree on the muslims in Britain bit and it angers me as well but the thing is..should we follow their wrong example? Trust me,there are loads of lads n britain who are muslim and completely british to the core . Its both hilarious and sad at once to face racism in a non white country associated with the apartheid movement and the white raj.... I know i can't end it right away but i would be happy if just a few people let it be known that they won't stand for it...if you the regular patrons of these places told the owners what you think of their racist policy ..do you think he would dare continue with it for long? Every little bit helps |
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28-08-2006, 01:45
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Thats the point,these is done to us in non white countries too,whites are not welcome in these places and the same reasons are quoted about whites being lecherous and having no respect for women....have you heard about some of the terms used to describe whites in asian countries...trust me, gweilo( white haired devil is tame)....recently a club in cosmopolitan singapore stopped admittng whites branding them "womanising hooligans"...is that right? i have seen quite a storm being kicked up about this in other forums...i sincerely do think we should not condone this....does it mean whites have no respect for women too?..especially in a multicultural place like thai,whats even more sad is that the owners of many of these bars are white. Believe me they will lose many falang customers too,the six "falangs in our group and the numerous friends,associates and relatives who are all falang and thier potential customers will also not visit these clubs...racism only exists because we let it slide and we don't take a stand. I'm sure there is a reason why such a policy is illegal in Denmark as well as the states,britain..etc Last edited by Vindiesel : 28-08-2006 at 02:15. |
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28-08-2006, 02:00
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Don't care to quote your whole post slagging off americans and i'm sure you will delete it once you see how it makes you look hurling abuse at americans but lets just say there are anough people in the usa who don't agree with our president and its reflected in his popularity rankings.Don't go slagging off a whole nation for the actions of a few.The majority of us are peace loving people who just wan to get on with our lives.
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28-08-2006, 02:06
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case in point,the moderators quickly removed IJs post slagging of americans because its insensitive and judgemental....thats the same way i feel about the club policies too..its the same thing...don't judge others too quickly and try and get over you preconceived notions...not all americans are imperialist that the whole world hates johnny,just as not all arabs are terrorist and not all blacks are criminals.....
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28-08-2006, 02:44
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AS WAS YOUR SMART AR5ED POST ...........THATS WHY I WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!!!!!!
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28-08-2006, 02:48
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vin,
i was with a vietnamese/american man that looked thai and he had to show his passport to get into almost everywhere. there were times that he had to convince girls at discos that he was american before they would talk to him!! and i dont even think your friends refusal had anythign to do with terrorsit worries. it has to do with the simple fact that the bg's and goggo dancers do not want to go with people of those races, quite simply. its an economic thing, in my view as far as the american bashing, it goes on constantly here. its funny too, i consider alot of guys in here my friends, i have met many of them, but they persist on doing it and thats why i am seriously consider leaving this forum. it would be a shame but oh well anyways, i hope you and your friends ended up having a good time. |
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28-08-2006, 04:11
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VIN DO US A FAVOUR MATE dont post any more of these politically correct piles of horse s hit on here ! it was posted to try to create some controversy which you have succeeded in doing
there are plenty of sites which cater for your views and arguments leave this one alone please i have been going to pattaya for 14 years and a huge majority of bars dont allow arabs in some even post notices saying no arabs ! i wholeheartedly 100% support them I am not racist i am just honest i dont trust or like arabs !
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28-08-2006, 04:24
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I think one question is begging to be asked here. As the OP mention Arabs/muslims in the topic, would I be way off track to suggest they should not be wanting to enter Agogo's bars in the first place ? Is this not the same religious group that believe women should be covered up ? That us in the west live in sin ? Have I got this right or not ?  |
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28-08-2006, 04:28
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Well, seems someone is overheated here.
Relax, sit back and enjoy the ride. Selection and segregation is done everywhere. Only when it is a white doing it it is called racism, all others it is a reaction to oppresion. Think about that. In my opinion the selection at the door is justified by the action of a large group of people that spoiled it for an even bigger group. To discriminate is not wrong, only when done wrong. Everyone discriminates as we all don't treat all individuals in society equal. When is the last time you envited the entire nation for that party you were organising? Why not? Think about it. US bashing? I don't think so. I know several people here that are americans that are respected as individuals (and yes marc you are one of them) and some that take remarks made about americans to personal. Americans feel they are the worlds rescuers and feel they can dictate the world what is right and what is wrong. All of them? definatelly not, again a large group that spoils it for an even bigger group that you wont hear as they are silent. It is the image the outside world has of the americans and sorry guys, do some PR and marketing if you want it to change. In the mean time, feel individual and extract that from the views about americans in general. When living in holland among my best friends were turkish and marocan guys that agreed with me that we did have a problem with their fellow countryman and were able to discuss the problem within general terms without feeling attacked as individuals. That was what earned my respect. So doormen, please keep being selective and try to be fair in your judgement while doing so. And when that means I can not get in, fine. Happens to me here in Belfast regularly. I just go somewhere else and spend my money there.
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28-08-2006, 04:33
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Where is the american???????????????????????????? Anyone see him? By the way I would only have let the irish blokes in there. The italians only want freebees from the ladies.  
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28-08-2006, 05:32
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It must make you really sad to see the nice girls prefering to go with an Italian for a freebie and not with you, even when you are waving with 1000 bath notes 
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28-08-2006, 05:44
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