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Old 24-02-2007, 18:15
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Two Russian women shot in Pattaya

Two Russian women killed at Jomthien beach

PATTAYA: -- Two Russian women, both tourists, have been shot dead in the Eastern seaboard resort of Jomthien, adjacent to Pattaya, about 110 kilometers (70 miles) southeast of Bangkok, police said.

Tatiana Tsimfer, 30 and Liubov Svirkova, 25 were killed when an unidentified gunman fired four shots from a 9 mm pistol, police said. Their bodies were found lying on the beach while their personal effects were left untouched.

Witnesses reportedly told police that they saw the victims drinking alcohol and swimming earlier.

Initially, police investigators believed that the Russian tourists probably quarreled severely with a beach chair concessionnaire which led to the later violence. Police are searching for the operator to investigate.

--TNA 2007-02-24
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Old 24-02-2007, 18:25
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wow..once again.shit happens !!!!!!!!!
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Old 24-02-2007, 20:16
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what do think they were arguing about? the rates of the beach chairs
Or maybe they had arguments with their KGB bfs...
No matter what ,its a shame
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Old 24-02-2007, 20:20
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Happened at 5am apparently...........serious sh1t
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No one thinking its Russian brass and this is intra pimp stuff happening ??

No mention of boyfriends or husbands.. Single Russian women in Patts..

Or am I just a hopeless cynic.
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how does anyone get shot innocently in any country. Must have been up to something
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how does anyone get shot innocently in any country.

You either lead a very sheltered life or never read newpapers/watch T.V , there are a hell of a lot of "innocent" people get shot !!!!
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Old 25-02-2007, 00:12
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No one thinking its Russian brass and this is intra pimp stuff happening ??

No mention of boyfriends or husbands.. Single Russian women in Patts..

Or am I just a hopeless cynic.

I'm with you on this one. Nevertheless it is still a shame
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I'm with you on this one. Nevertheless it is still a shame

A real damn shame if they looked like the Russian girls you see strutting their stuff on Walking St. They have f*cking bionic bodies. Unreal!!
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No one thinking its Russian brass and this is intra pimp stuff happening ??

No mention of boyfriends or husbands.. Single Russian women in Patts..

Or am I just a hopeless cynic.

i was a little curious myself
and look at their ages
id specualte russina mob
and it if that was true, id say it goes a long way in showing some of these girls, especially in russia, are forced into this trade
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Mmmmm

Its a bit of a shocker that one.

I have seen a lot more Russians in Phuket recently too, usually big guys spending big in places like the Salsa Bar in the Phuket Cabana and it always makes me wonder.

I have also seem the women knocking around from time to time and you are right about the Bionic Bodies.

I remember having a Pizza with two of them at the Pizza Hut at 4am in Soi Sansabai and then waking up in a stange Hotel room in just my underwear and having to walk home (sans money and clothes)

Best avoided, but a shame about what happened.

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Maybe I'm slow here, but what could be the motive in a case like this one. Two girls shot dead in deck chairs, drinking on the beach. No customers around... maybe. But, why shoot them comng on a two week tour, even if they were pros????
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You know, Russian, pattaya. Is there a link?

Tourists my ass.
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Old 25-02-2007, 22:22
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Re-read... I wrote two week tour. Who said tourist? Then, read the article maybe...and then give a better answer...
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Who said tourist?
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PATTAYA: -- Two Russian women, both tourists ....
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Two Russian women shot in Pattaya

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OK, I guess I will have to spell it out for both of you...


There were two Russian girls in Pattaya on a two week tour... whether they were pros or not is still unknown at this point. Whether they were visiting "tourists" place, I have no idea. But the question is... what was the motive in a case like this?

And MrDK, please don't quote newspapers articles to me... I haven't believed them in years...it's just entertainment for me nowadays.
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Old 25-02-2007, 22:45
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And MrDK, please don't quote newspapers articles to me... I haven't believed them in years...it's just entertainment for me nowadays.
I am with you there, generally don't believe much of their writing either, I was merely trying to answer your question as to "Who said tourist?"
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Update

Police find few clues in the murder of Russian women

Police are offering a Bt100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the killer of two Russian tourists at Jomtien Beach on Saturday morning.


Investigators have few clues as to a motive behind the killings.


Tatiana Tsimfer, 30, and Liubov Svirkova, 25, were found dead in their beach chairs at about 5am on Saturday.


Five spent 9mm cartridges were recovered from the scene.


Post mortem examinations show one woman was shot six times and the other four times, according to Provincial Police Region 2 commissioner Lt-General Asawin Kwanmuang.


Security cameras captured a "tall man of indistinct nationality" parking a motorcycle at a beachside footpath, running up to the women and shooting them before fleeing.


Police have discounted robbery.


"From the gunman's dress - jeans and boots - we suspect he is a member of a Pattaya teenage gang," Asawin said.


Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimir City in Russia and were visiting Thailand with a tour group.


Asawin said the women entered Thailand on February 16. They separated from the group to travel by themselves.


"They probably had nothing to do with the transnational prostitution," Asawin said. "I have no idea what they did during the eight days in Pattaya to lead to their murder."


A counsellor at the Russian Embassy in Bangkok, Vladimir Pronin, met the police yesterday and rejected allegations in local newspapers the women were involved in prostitution.


He expressed concern for Russian tourists in Thailand.


Police set up a temporary command post at a hotel near the scene.


Twelve units have been assigned to the case that police worry might affect tourism at the popular seaside resort.


Pattaya police superintendent Colonel Sutin Trappuang said investigators were looking at prostitution, drugs and sex as motives.


Police are questioning known members of Russian gangs living in Pattaya and people at night entertainment venues on the city's Walking Street.
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OK, I guess I will have to spell it out for both of you...


There were two Russian girls in Pattaya on a two week tour... whether they were pros or not is still unknown at this point. Whether they were visiting "tourists" place, I have no idea. But the question is... what was the motive in a case like this?

And MrDK, please don't quote newspapers articles to me... I haven't believed them in years...it's just entertainment for me nowadays.

TanMan,
you ever hear of people just getting in the country on any visa they can get and then not leaving?
they couldve been on a 2 week tourist visa with intent purpose of making money. the russian mob then tells them they have to stay in LOS and takes their passports. they put up a fuss and bam-dead on the beach
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Old 26-02-2007, 01:34
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I watched the video tonight on the Thai news of the actual shooting. Guy was really cool about the way he did the deed, not complimenting him just he looked very distant from the act he was commiting.

And whats this all about 5 shells found and one women was shot 6 times and the other 4 times, 6 + 4 = 10. On the TV he looked like he fired once into each person.

Is this post a little bit impersonal from me? maybe it is, so I apologise in the first instance to anyone I have offended by my seemingly uncaring attitude, I do care as it is an awful as well as unlawful act, but this was just my first honest impression.
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They came with a tour group. But, they separated from the tour group. They were most likely influenced by someone to do so. By doing a visa run each month they could stay in LOS for at least 3 months, and probably a good deal longer if they got fake papers, or merely waited until they were busted for overstaying their visas. That could be a year or more, with any luck at all.

They were executed. That is a mob killing. How many times in LOS has even one, let alone two tourists, been killed by a hitman? Never, as far as I know. Add that to the fact that they are Russian, and the Russian mob is in Pattaya, and it spells mob hit. They simply got mixed up with the wrong people and were made an example for other girls not to cross the mob.
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Old 26-02-2007, 02:46
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wow..once again.shit happens !!!!!!!!!

You see the Sunday world today ij?(irish newspaper)...

5 pages(inc front page) on Pattaya and sex tourists and violence.
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You see the Sunday world today ij?(irish newspaper)...

5 pages(inc front page) on Pattaya and sex tourists and violence.
Do you know if the article is available on line? I found Sunday World, but could only see the front page:
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Dunno about that. I read it at my mate's house. Maybe there was a link printed in the paper...I'll call round to him tomorrow and have a look...
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