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03-06-2008, 14:37
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On a serious note, maybe I am ignorant of the facts, but I thought that there were definate symptoms (although generic) that showed when first contracting HIV.
If there are doubts then of course test, but if nothing changes in any way and the risk is that low then why go through all this worry? And if a breaking causes such worry, then why on earth would you have sex with such people? For example, if I was single I would have sex with Thai girls, but I sure as hell wouldn't play around in certain communities in South Africa (for example). South African's please don't take offence.
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03-06-2008, 14:43
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So condoms can make all the difference. If you have ever had a condom break, then you should not be using the ultra-thin varieties, but should go with a good old-fashioned sturdy sort, like the standard white, nothing fancy, no frills or gimmicks, Trojan brand! If you are latex-sensitive, like me, get the Trojan Supra in the gold/black wrapper, as the gold/red wrapper ones are lubed and break too easy. Not having to worry about breaking condoms made my life a world easier! As for the bleeding, it can happen for two different reasons. One is that sex can cause their period to come early, even several days early. Second is that if a girl doesn't have much experience with farangs, who are often longer or thicker than Thais, then their is more stretching than they are used to and the added friction can cause a small amount of bleeding. I had a run of about 4 girls at one point this year, where every one of them bled the first and sometimes the 2nd time I had sex with them for one or the other of the above reasons. The first girl it happened with, her period came early, and there was quite a lot of bood, went through two sheets and into the mattress. She was really embarrassed and proceeded to wash both sheets, and scrub the mattress with soap and water. If you do it right away, you can get them fairly clean. On subsequent occasions, I ended up do the washing myself.  When ever that happened to me in past years, usually only once per trip, on average, I always got off without paying for clean sheets, even though I didn't know enough to wash them myself. That is where always having given the maids a daily tip paid off, I think.
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03-06-2008, 14:58
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The second set of symptoms, typically, comes later, at about 6 to 12 weeks, and is sometimes accompanied by swelling of lymph glands in the armpits, groin or throat. I don't remember what that stage is called or what the significance of the swollen lymph glands is, beyond the obvious sign that your body is fighting an infection. After that, there are a whole slew of symptoms, and, in fact, almost any symptom you can name, could be a symptom of AIDS. That is why people who are afraid they have been infected, but don't get tested, invariably start to think they really are infected. Every little pimple, rash, swollen gland, or abnormality then seems to be a sure sign of AIDS, because almost any symptom you look up on a medical website, will tell you that, among other things, it could be a symptom of HIV infection. The actual impact of all that worrying can cause symptoms!! So, when there is any reason for concern at all, it is a good idea to get tested!!
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03-06-2008, 15:08
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BTW, that 20% BG HIV infection rate was mentioned by me, and has absolutely no basis in fact. Just through it off the top of my head, as there was once a thread on here about some testing that was done in Phuket years ago that came up with a very high number, but I can't recall any of the specifics, and it was not a scientifically done random study, so it did not have any statistical significance, even though it showed a very high rate among those that went to a particular clinic.
Also, I remember that a BM once made claims here that he knew a lot of farangs in Phuket who were infected, and even more BGs who were infected and working to pay for medication that made them symptom-free. The farangs he claimed to know, were on meds, and as well, according to him and symptom-free. Sorry, I can not remember his name. He spoke as if he was being candid and honest, so I found his disclosures to be rather frightening. But he soon disappeared from sight here, so who knows if there was really substance to his claims.
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03-06-2008, 15:48
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I did a quick review of the literature available. The HIV rate among Thai adults was 1.4 % in 2005, the last year I could find data for. 14,000 new cases per year, down 90% from the early 90's, when 140,000 per year were being infected. Of new cases, approx. 1 out of 5 were either sex workers, their clients, or their clients' spouses/GFs. A national survey estimated that the rate of infection among prostitutes was 8% of brothel workers and 4% for non-brothel workers. However, it was felt that due to retroviral drug treatments now available, the delcine in rate of infections is leveling off. To the point, it was found that the rate of infection in BKK among men who have sex with men was 23% in 2005, up from 17% in 2003.
The pertinence of the study of BKK gay/bi men to clients of BGs in places like Phuket is that it is a known fact that some BGs patronize the services of male prostitutes. So, to say that BGs are at low risk, because they have sex with farangs, who are mostly heterosexual, and coming from countries with very low rates of HIV infection, ignores the fact that many BGs have sex with Thai men, some of whom may be at risk for infection, either as a result of frequenting Thai brothels or having sex with other Thai and farang men.
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03-06-2008, 16:00
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 It is not all that easy to find pretty girls to have sex with when you feel like it, unless they are "such people."  Quote:
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04-06-2008, 07:11
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No JayBee
I didn't contradict myself. The point is if you believe that there is 20% infection why on earth would you take such a risk. With Thai Bar Girls in the farang market i don't believe there is anywhere near that figure, so if I was able to i would. However in the case of some SA communities I would consider the risk to be very high, so I wouldn't, condom or no condom.
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04-06-2008, 10:26
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I had known of a gogo girl who worked to afford her meds.. complex moral issue in should she work and who has the right to deny her the chance to live kind of thing. I cant think of any farangs here that I know that have admitted it or even let me suspect it tho. I think they now offer some retrovirals on the 30 baht / free healthcare system, a few years ago they wouldnt and hence meds simply cost more than most Thais could afford. Tho getting access to the cheap healthcare is not so straightforward, you need to be in your home / registration province or something I heard.
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04-06-2008, 12:53
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I'm actually a member of the 30 Baht Health scheme.
Not sure I'd exercise my right to use it, hardly the decent hospitals made available, in fact you have a nominated hospital and I believe that is the only one you can use. I still have the Bat Prakan Sangkhom but the actual hospital card I'm not sure where it is. I'm pretty sure my hospital is the Viphavadi Hospital on the corner of Srinakarin and Pattanakarn in Suan Luang, Bangkok.
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04-06-2008, 15:01
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05-06-2008, 06:32
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Dont worry.I dont but I dont know about the other SA's here.Apparently Jacob Zuma(our almost next president) will take that chance. 
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03-07-2008, 06:28
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Don't panic, even if she had AIDS, and even if you didn't bother with a condom, the chance of you catching it is miniscule. Others have pointed out she is 18 and is unlikely to have had hundreds of partners.
You might want to try to find a larger brand of condom. They also make ones that are advertised as 'thick', dunno if that really means anything.
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03-07-2008, 13:21
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u wanna bet? ...this is thailand! 55555555555555!
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03-07-2008, 14:00
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But her Thai boyfriend/husband may have !!!!!! 
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03-07-2008, 14:24
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that may be right, but it's enough if one of them had aids/hiv+
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03-07-2008, 19:24
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The chances of catching hiv from conventional sex are slight but it always pays to rubber up - would you walk across a field with an umbrella up during a thunderstorm?
AFAIK no one has ever caught hiv from a bj so from my point of view there is no point dulling the pleasure. The advantage of rubbers is that they offer some protection against stuff that is far easier than hiv to catch from sex - like Hepatatis - which can be very nasty. And they stop babies 
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03-07-2008, 19:33
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He did rubber up.....The condom broke !....why the lecture ?
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04-07-2008, 04:22
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Err, no lecture just my point of view. Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought the discussion had broadened a little from the original? if not, my bad. If you don`t agree with what I say then say so but don`t snipe me with this `lecturing` BS.
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09-07-2008, 10:35
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dude, I understand your fear but lighten up. Unless the blood came from your ****, you're almost certainly safe. She could be HIV positive and bleed all over you and you have very little risk of infection unless there's an open sore for the pathogens to gain access to your circulatory system. If you have a sore on your ****, you have reason to be concerned (not terrified.... concerned). If you're skin is unbroken you should be fine.
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