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30-09-2007, 03:18
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GFE newb questions
So, I hear one can go for something called GFE instead of butterflying around. I've tried search but came up empty unfortunately, so I have questions:
How does it work financially? Normally, you pay a BF, and then ST or LT and whatnot. How do you pay for GFE? And when? And how much on average? I believe it should be much cheaper than having a different girl every night? 
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#2
30-09-2007, 04:04
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The simple answer is up-to-you.
If you take a girl for a longer period of time, say a week or more, for a GFE (girl-friend experience) you can certainly make an agreement to pay "less" or she may even leave it up to you to compensate at the end of the experience. If 1,000 is the "norm" for LT then a 5,000 per week may be amicably agreed upon. Do keep in mind that in a GFE you will be treating her along the way and some of that is just part of the GFE and some may be considered compensation ... so to give you a clear answer is impossible. One think is clear, however; if you take her out of the bar where she works you will need to pay the bar-fine for each day. A GFE vs butterfly should be a matter of preference, not a cost saving measure.
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30-09-2007, 04:09
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the bf is to be paid to the bar in order to get the girl out of the bar, from 200 to 500 baht +++ for gogo bars
st/lt is to be agreed with the girl, the same goes for the price, usually 1000/2000 baht. long term relation!! my opinion is that it costs a lot more as it involves more than a simple bf,for istance food,shopping, short trips, and whatever. this is only my opinion anyway,go with the flow and get what suits you better edit. butterflying also means spending lots of money in lady drinks and such.either way you'll go back home with a penny in your pocket
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Last edited by whuakito : 30-09-2007 at 04:14.
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30-09-2007, 04:46
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I meant it as in: what if I happen to like the girl after a ST or LT and don't feel like fishing her out over and over of the same bar every night? Shouldn't loyalty get you some discount? It does so in every other business.  Paying her on a daily basis kinda ruins the illusion doesn't it?
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30-09-2007, 04:57
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They need the money for their kids and family.. You mean they should skip fee`to the kids school, or clothes for them, just because you think you should have a discount because of loyalty...? Back the tape and think again....
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30-09-2007, 05:06
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No... In some cases maybe, but most girls i know save money for kids and family..
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30-09-2007, 05:07
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And btw.. Its their "job", so why cut the salary..? Do you cut your salary after a while because you are "loyal" to your work...?
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30-09-2007, 05:18
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I agree with Tarzan in most of what he says, certainly it is a matter of business, however, unlike a salary that is not negotiable their business is entrepreneurial. It is open for negotiation. You should consider though as with any business you get what you pay for; if you attempt to negotiate the price too low her "heart" will not be there and that is the last you want.
Go to LOS to have a good time and pay your way. Don't spend too much and don't be cheap. If you really want a girlfriend experience then give her a boyfriend experience and a reasonable compensation for the business part of it. After all, you want her to send you home happy.
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30-09-2007, 08:11
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Well said mate and to easily forgotten,think BFe too and you will reap massive reward. Only other thing to be Said for long term GFe is its alot harder emotionally unless you: A/have a girl atome waiting OR B/you are a hard man and of course u feel nothing Try not to get to lubbed up but if you do you are not alone rest assured.
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30-09-2007, 09:58
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@MrDK: You give great advice, thank you very much. @Trentreznik: As my answers to both A and B are a definite "nope" I may better avoid the whole GFE thing. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. After hearing all this and reading stuff on this board I wonder if it's at all possible to have a normal relationship with a TG outside of the bar scene. I am sceptic, but will wait and see.
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30-09-2007, 15:52
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Agni it is possible to have a similar gf experience as at home, however MrDK and Tarzan have answered you correctly, the girls do need to earn to live and it is their business income.
However there are so many different situations that you cannot really be answered fully or correctly here. The girl may have had a really good week, pay wise. She may really get on with you, enjoy your company and it may be her decision to stay with you. She may be freelancing but actually has a full time job at a hotel or wherever and just decides to spend her spare time with you, so many different variables to mean that a gf experience can be experienced, but remember the two night rule - any longer than 2 nights with one girl and whether you like it or not, you have now become her bf, with all the antagonism and scenes that entails.
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30-09-2007, 17:54
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then wait for the sick buffalo story! lmao.
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30-09-2007, 19:21
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There aint no "illusion" my friend - Pay the money, Take the girl and enjoy yourself.........dont be a 'cheap charlie'. What you have to remember is its their job - this is the way they make their money, dont try and be-little it by wanting a 'discount' for everything.......be thankfull she has decided to go with you.... 
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30-09-2007, 21:18
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Fair enough. I don't have problems with this logic. My question is more into the category of "how does that work" then how much it costs, sorry to put an emphasis on price, but that wasn't my intention. Regarding price, I believe if I decide to keep a girl, how much would I pay would certainly be enough to cover her needs and needs of her family. This doesn't make me a 'cheap charlie'. On the other hand, I do want to know what one gets in return. I'm more interested in knowing technicalities such as: when do you pay them, and do they stay with you the whole day, and if not - do they take other clients while being with you... and so on.
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30-09-2007, 21:23
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To coin a well used phrase..."Use the search function". Why would you book a holiday for 3 months, in a place that you've never been....and seemingly, know very little about????? (I mean this, of course, in the nicest way)
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30-09-2007, 21:36
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No two relationships are the same...
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30-09-2007, 21:37
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I've tried and came up empty. I must be doing something wrong, I know, but knowing that still doesn't help me find answers. As to why am I going there for three months... scuba diving, it won't be that much of a usual holiday for me I'm afraid. If time permits - I'm also thinking perhaps taking some Muay Thai lessons while there. Goes well with my Krav Maga. That's about it.
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30-09-2007, 21:43
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OK. Try the "search", and go to (advanced search), on the bottom of the window. Then type in, "girlfriend experience" in the phrase box...and at the bottom, request all findings of "posts". I did, and got around 8 pages of "posts" (somewhat) on the subject.
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#21
30-09-2007, 21:51
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Agni, my experience was that it was very easy to overthink my vacation plans. One of the nice things about Thailand is that it is really an easy place to fly by the seat of one's pants and go with the flow. The only exception that I can think of would be hotel and flight bookings in high season. Even so, I found that I never suffered from a lack of planning while in LOS.
I too work a job that increasingly seems to "require" 3 month vacations. Part of the fun leading up to a vacation is to spend a lot of time reading this forum. However, part of the joy of a vacation is to be able to turn everything off and just go with it. I learned as I went. A couple of times I made mistakes - most of the time everything went great. No big deals here. Although your focus may not be about money, in my case I found that sometimes I would worry about 1000 baht here or 500 baht there. It is very easy for me to forget that all that we are talking about is $15-$30 US. Have a great trip!
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30-09-2007, 22:08
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In my case the GFE experience just happened. I never planned it. I BF a girl in BKK for one night and then went to Patts and Phuket to butterfly. But the BKK BF was always on my mind. When I went back to BKK for my last night I was thinking of BFing her. But she was already taken. I was disappointed but still managed to have a great night with a new one.
I did email the BKK girl when I went back home and when I went back to LOS 3 months later BFed her. We had a good night but I was off to butterfly in Patts the next day. She was still on my mind. So after 3 nights of fun I sent for her to come down to Patts and we went to Koh Samet for a couple nights and it was a perfect GFE. After that I went to Phuket and just wasn't enjoying the butterfly thing. So I sent for BKK again and took her to PHI PHI and it was incredible. When it came time for good bye and payment I was not thinking of discounts. More like a bonus.
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01-10-2007, 02:40
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good luck mate, unless you're a hardened butterfly, avoiding the GFE will be a challenge! lol
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