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Old 10-07-2008, 06:16
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Taken for a ride?

OK, so here's the story.

I live in Australia.
In June 2007 I met a Thai girl here.
She was 21. I was 36 and in a longterm relationship.
She was studying English at a local language school.
I was professionally employed.

Anyway.. We got along very well. Became very good friends.
About 2weeks later she told me that she's actually married to
another guy here in Australia.
She met him a year earlier in Thailand, he payed and brought here
out here and got married to keep her in the country.

Since June 2007 the following has happened.
She has left her husband, I left my partner.
We went to Thailand for a vacation together.
We moved in together and are now renting while we build a new home.
We are also looking at opening our own business. (Restaurant)

I have checked through everything she has,
email accounts, bank accounts, personal belongings ...etc
there is NO other evidence of a sordid past or anything like that.

I DO know that she worked in a massage parlor in BKK from Feb-June06
where she met the guy who eventually married her.
She no longer keeps contact with him.

So, how do you guys see this situation?
Am I just another westerner who's being taken for a ride?

Take into account the following:
- If she stayed with her husband she would have been guaranteed a permanent visa.
- With me she would have to start the whole process again AFTER she eventually divorces from her current husband.

Looking forward to your advice (and/or criticism)
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:30
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Looks ok to me........just need to be on your toes about future money issues, and be aware that you may become a cash cow for the family.

Was the ex happy she left ? If yes, why ?

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Was he ex happy she left ? If not, why ?

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Also was her x happy she left ? If YES, why ?
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:48
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...Was he ex happy she left ? If not, why ?

No the EX was devastated that she left.
I got her to go to his house
(with a mobile phone ON in her pocket so I could hear the whole conversation)

Basically everything she told me about him was true.

She would tell me that she didnt get intimate with him.
He confirmed that by saying "you dont kiss me, you dont have sex with me"..etc

While listening in on the conversation he repeatedly told her that he was sorry
and that he wanted to work things out.
He kept asking her why she didnt want to see a councellor about their marriage.
He repeatedly kept telling her that he loved her.
She was very very strong and said that she didnt want anything to do with him.
She told him that if he wanted money she would pay him.
He said he didnt want her money, he just wanted her.

I have since spoken to her EX myslef!
Disguising myself as someone who was helping her out with work.
He told me that she has 'killed him'.
Obviously the guy is devastated that she left him.
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Hello all (newbie here, but lurker for a while). Might as well make this my first post. I don't feel good about this one at all, not to rain on your parade, but she is only 21/22. Her age is one thing, but for her to just leave a guy that really loved her and is married to her is another minus. Quite honestly I don't feel too good about the way you listened in on her ex (cell phone, acting like an outside 'intermediary').

Things may seem fine now, but with her 'track record' at such a young age, what makes you think she won't do the same thing to you one day? You may think "you are the one" but so didn't the guy she dumped? Already, I can see some trust issues (checking up on her past, the massage thing, the way she broke off). The fact that she did this to someone who loved her and was married to her must be something that will always be on the back of your mind.

Sorry to sound so down, but this is just coming from someone who has had their heart broken in the past (not by a Thai girl).
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Hello all (newbie here, but lurker for a while). Might as well make this my first post. I don't feel good about this one at all, not to rain on your parade, but she is only 21/22. Her age is one thing, but for her to just leave a guy that really loved her and is married to her is another minus. Quite honestly I don't feel too good about the way you listened in on her ex (cell phone, acting like an outside 'intermediary').

Things may seem fine now, but with her 'track record' at such a young age, what makes you think she won't do the same thing to you one day? You may think "you are the one" but so didn't the guy she dumped? Already, I can see some trust issues (checking up on her past, the massage thing, the way she broke off). The fact that she did this to someone who loved her and was married to her must be something that will always be on the back of your mind.

Sorry to sound so down, but this is just coming from someone who has had their heart broken in the past (not by a Thai girl).

First off.. WELCOME.
I'm a newbie too ! (3 posts old!!!)

Yes I understand what you're saying.
One thing to remember though.
Her husband bought her from a massage parlor and brought her out here for a 'play thing'.
I have heard him speak to her on the phone on other occasions.
I have heard him say things like:
"I am taking a lunch break and want to come home for some sex"

I dont think the 'love' comments by him were genuine.
I think that it was basically him fearing that she would leave.
He is very very manipulative. I have spoken to him. I know how he works.
He puts on a very submissive tone, but underneath I have seen/heard what takes place.

Also.. regarding the age...
He was 41.
So the age difference was even greater there.
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OK, so here's the story.
I have checked through everything she has,
email accounts, bank accounts, personal belongings ...etc
there is NO other evidence of a sordid past or anything like that.

I DO know that she worked in a massage parlor in BKK from Feb-June06
where she met the guy who eventually married her.
She no longer keeps contact with him.

Where was the massage parlor ???

Just becuase theres no evidence of a sordid past does not make her not a money grabbing b1tch.. The worst money grabbers are often the the ones who are not in the bar game.

The info you provide and then ask others to decide on simply cannot be enough.. Only you know.
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Where was the massage parlor ???

It was in Sukhumvit Soi 1 in Bankgkok.
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First off.. WELCOME.
I'm a newbie too ! (3 posts old!!!)

Yes I understand what you're saying.
One thing to remember though.
Her husband bought her from a massage parlor and brought her out here for a 'play thing'.
I have heard him speak to her on the phone on other occasions.
I have heard him say things like:
"I am taking a lunch break and want to come home for some sex"

I dont think the 'love' comments by him were genuine.
I think that it was basically him fearing that she would leave.
He is very very manipulative. I have spoken to him. I know how he works.
He puts on a very submissive tone, but underneath I have seen/heard what takes place.

Also.. regarding the age...
He was 41.
So the age difference was even greater there.

Thanks for the welcome! In that case it's a little clearer. I would proceed but I would be a bit cautious, as LivingLOS says a person's past is not indicative of the future! Money grubbers are everywhere.

One thing I would like to ask, was her relationship with this guy already on the rocks when you met her?
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It was in Sukhumvit Soi 1 in Bankgkok.

Many would consider that in itself evidence of a 'sordid past'..
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One thing I would like to ask, was her relationship with this guy already on the rocks when you met her?

Yes. She had already gone back to Thailand after 4months of being with him.
She purchased a ticket to go back again after 7months.
Form what I have heard/read/found he was not happy with her as she didnt 'adapt' to the lifestyle here and she wouldn't partake in any events with him.
She was constantly quiet, stayed out of public with him and didnt even want to see/visit his friends family.

Her side of the story to that is that she was embarrassed to be with him.

On the flip side.... with me she is constantly by my side.
She asks ME if I want to visit my friends/family with her.
She organises dates with us and my sister and her husband.
She goes out shopping with my mother.
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Many would consider that in itself evidence of a 'sordid past'..

True, but when you take into account the amount of time she spent there. (4.5mths)
and the high % of thai girls that work in establishments such as this.. it's not THAT sordid.
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If you 2 enjoy being together than that's great. Have a ball! But I would be very careful about having your assets legaly tied to her.
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True, but when you take into account the amount of time she spent there. (4.5mths)
and the high % of thai girls that work in establishments such as this.. it's not THAT sordid.

Well as long as you understand that pretty much any upper Sukhumvit massage is a euphemism for P4P..
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If you 2 enjoy being together than that's great. Have a ball! But I would be very careful about having your assets legaly tied to her.

Ahh.. I've taken care of that too!
House is all in my name.
Business WILL be in my name.

I have told her all this and made it clear why.
She understands and said that she's ok with it.

That doesn't sound like a money grabber to me.
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Well as long as you understand that pretty much any upper Sukhumvit massage is a euphemism for P4P..

Please excuse my ignorance but... what's P4P ?
Pay For Pleasure?

Anyway.. if you're referring to her as being a 'massage' (actual sex worker) then YES.. you are right.
And she did not hide that from me.
I understand what she did.
I have investigated it thoroughly.
I have been in contact with other guys that she kept contact with via email.
I'm totally aware of everything.
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Ahh.. I've taken care of that too!
House is all in my name.
Business WILL be in my name.

I have told her all this and made it clear why.
She understands and said that she's ok with it.

That doesn't sound like a money grabber to me.

Just 1 question you said she went back to Thailand after 4 months and then bought another ticket after 7 months, where did she get the money from for the tickets?
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Ok no problem and didnt mean to make a nasty point.. Just your comment about no skeletons made me wonder if you realized that.

Your never going to get any sensible answers from a bunch of strangers about her..
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Just 1 question you said she went back to Thailand after 4 months and then bought another ticket after 7 months, where did she get the money from for the tickets?

Money for the tickets came from her Kitchenhand work here in Australia.
Tickets to Thailand from Oz are pretty cheap on our Budget priced airlines.
Something like $500 USD (return).
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Ok no problem and didnt mean to make a nasty point.. Just your comment about no skeletons made me wonder if you realized that.

Your never going to get any sensible answers from a bunch of strangers about her..

Naaah.. no problem.
No offence taken.
I understand that I wont get any 'sensible' answers as you say.
Just interested to see what the general consensus is in forums such as these.

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the response so far.
I was expecting a lot worse.
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I'm actually pretty satisfied with the response so far.
I was expecting a lot worse.

Wait. The thread is young. You still have 20 more Time Zones of responses.
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Naaah.. no problem.
No offence taken.
I understand that I wont get any 'sensible' answers as you say.
Just interested to see what the general consensus is in forums such as these.

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the response so far.
I was expecting a lot worse.

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