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Go slow. Be careful.
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No, River, you're not being paranoid. And the idea of spending at least a month full time with a girl is a good idea. Probably more than one month is best. I spent a month, not 24/7, but 16+ hours a day with a girl on my last trip, as some of you know. I still don't feel like I know her as well as I would want to make a commitment to a person. TGs are extremely convincing when they turn on the tears spigot, and start telling you about how they hate working in the bar and going with strange men. And it only makes sense when you think about it. Think about a life where you never know who you are going to be sleeping with the next night. Where you never know if you are going to be treated nicely or roughly, not to mention some of the grubby guys who are going to be kissing you, ugly d*cks that you are going to be asked to s*ck, or huge weighty bellies that are going to be crushing your petite little body. And the body odor! I hate to even think about it. No wonder they require pre-sex showering, yet it doesn't take long to break a sweat in that climate! It is no wonder that so many of the girls are alcoholics. I'd want to be well-pissed, too, if I ever had to bed down with some sweaty beer-breath drunken punter, let alone night after night. So when they cry to you about hating their life and that they have no one to care for them, it is probably true in many cases, even though they are awfully good at putting on the party face when they are soliciting business. Can't very blame them for that, making the best of a bad situation is the Thai way of life. So a girl could be one who is just lookling for a sponsor's money and still be a "working girl" on the sly(I remember being at an internet in BKK with a FL I'd been banging for a week, 24/7, when she writes to her UK sponsor, "I am working as a maid in the house of a farang" - yeah, working on my meat in my hotel room, was more like it), but OTOH, she could be sincere about wanting to leave the nasty business of selling herself. However.... Does that really mean she loves you as she claims? The "I love you, I love you, I love you,", mantra, recited many times in the heat of passion is very convincing. But I have talked to girls in Phuket and Samui who had older men sponsoring them. After getting to know them, helping them translate or write letters, and being asked for advice on what to say to farang men, invariably, when it seemed they were very comfortable confiding in me, I would pop the question which was in my mind all along. A simple inquiry, "Do you love him?" Invariably the answer was the same, "Nitnoi." A little bit. And if you could see the expressions on their faces when they said it, it really meant a very, tiny, little bit. One kept complaining how fat the guy was. Another how horribly old her BF was. How old? I asked. Fifty-eight, she replied, as if that was an ancient age. How old are you? I asked. 36. And she was no great looker either, although the body was still tight enough. So why do you bother with him, is there anything you do like about him? I asked. "He is khon jai dii, she said(he is a kind man.) I am rambling, but you get the idea. Go slow. Be careful. JayBee 
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10-04-2005, 17:28
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long distance doesnt work
Having a relationship with a BG is never going to work out unless you commit to living in LOS . I have seen the same girl twice a year for 4 years during which time she has split her time working the bars in Patong and working with her sister in Isaan.I dont send her money and when im with her shes pretty low maintenance anyway.In short we both care about each other and if i were to live in Thailand i think we would do pretty well together as have many ex pats in the pastwith ex BG.Unfortunately circumstances at the moment dont allow me to do this and i would never consider bringing her to England as this is generally a recipe for disaster.My advice is to fall in love only until you board the plane home in the long run its wiser.
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10-04-2005, 22:41
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Thanks again
Thanks again,
JayBee, well said in relation to LivinLOS’s statement and I have to agree with you but mostly I try not to care what others think and say. I guess that it is how you feel when you are with them day after day other than just the bonking. Whether they are for real is the big worry of us all as it is their living to convince you that they like you and of course that you are the only one they really like. Guess you just have to hope that eventually it would turn into a genuine feeling on their behalf, but just so long as I am convinced and I don’t think that I am being taken for an idiot I can live with that reality. I did not think that River was paranoid either and I will definitely be spending far more time with her before I commit to anything. Due to my concerns of finances I do not plan on bringing anyone over here permanent. Here de-facto is enough to entitle them to the same as if you were married and I think that it is 2 years and they get a grab at it. Can’t afford to and won’t take the risk on the financial front on a permanent move. On a side note I went to the Song ran festival in Sydney today and there was the Thai welfare stall there and they had all of the brochures, in Thai, about family law in Oz and their entitlements, what they can get from you, scary or what? From what I have heard also is that they can change and not for the better if you bring them home. You may not get the best of both worlds, you could end up with the worst of both. joecoolfrog, that was my intention all along, believe me. Thanks all. 
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11-04-2005, 13:35
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Extremely scary
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11-04-2005, 17:17
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12 months and de facto gets half of everything in aus
ways around this transfer all large assets to another family member but you had better trust them too !!! your super also they are entitled to half even if you are nowhere near retirement age. so if you have $50 000 in super she gets $25 000 which you must pay on divorice settlement 12 months after seperation really scary stuff.
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11-04-2005, 20:43
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Yep they get half
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Hey there Pacific Pesos (aussie dollar), yeah that is what bothers me after 30 years working I think I have a little more than the figure that you quoted and as I am 3 to 5 years off moving to Thai I wouldn’t risk that for any female. Glad to have met you recently in MTB. I know what River is saying about trust but to me that is way past trust and leaning towards lunacy. The educating of Thai woman on just what they can get out of us might end up the same way the Filipinas used to go a few years back. Get here have a kid after 12 months ditch the man and then he pays for the next 20 or so years. Hope that it does not come to that. I can’t make any new monkies, had the snip, but risk everything that I have worked for over 30 years and what I have left after 2 divorces, nope! I have seen guys on the bones of their ar se after having to borrow to pay out the super and I can’t afford it and do not plan on taking that risk.
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12-04-2005, 10:21
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Actually I was referring to setting up a trust it's all the rage here now even married couples are getting into it tax advantages and what not, it sounds like your laws are a bit stiffer than ours
 I see your point with the super.
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13-04-2005, 06:50
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Steveski,
I think that you are a smart guy and your heart is in the right place. You know better than to make any commitments that you can't back up or that risk your future welfare. Within those parameters, you just do what you can and let the chips fall where they may. JayBee
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22-04-2005, 08:46
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I think the reason emails from bargirls confuse is that they do not write them alone someone in the internet cafe chips in their help, so the purity of the message is tainted by general principles these people think the farang wants to hear, such as 'I will love you whether you have big money or not' , these comments never sound as if they are coming from the lady herself and jar, and sound to good to be true, thus false even though they may be true.
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22-04-2005, 09:03
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This book IMHO is a good read has letters to BGs as well as letters to farangs by BGs.
Some are funny,some sad. Also with some of the BG's feelings included. "Hello my big big honey by Dave Walker and S. Ehrlich"
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22-04-2005, 20:24
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Agree Hello My Big Honey
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Hi aussie dollar, Yes I have to agree with you about the book. The only thing about it is that it appears a little dated as there are numerous references to GI from the Viet Nam war. The major train of thought hasn’t changed I think, but I do think some of the girls have changed their attitude and also it sounds as if drug use with the girls was wide spread. Is this mainly bkk as I have not seen any of this myself, doesn’t mean that it isn’t there though, and I do not ask as that is not my cup of tea. A good read though and are some of us guys gullible. I recommend Thailand Fever. I got a lot from that book. Regards,
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22-04-2005, 20:36
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I can confirm this definitely happens. My girl has pretty limited spoken English and even less written. She was getting help from the girl at the internet shop. This help meant that the girl in the shop would just write what she wanted, or what she thought I wanted to hear. I was lucky in that I could tell immediately that this was not being written by my TG. When I talked to my gf’s sister, who could speak good English, and told her what was said both the girls went down and had an argument with the girl (supposedly). Also the girl was translating what I was saying, and believe me she was getting it very wrong and caused me a few problems until the sister got involved. I kept all emails, and I could resend what had been sent to me. Now I ask her just to write them herself, if it is piss poor English I don’t care I can mostly work it out. If in doubt about an email or even a chat I suggest call them and ask directly. These experts seem to decide themselves what is written to us and what is told to the girls I hope that they aren’t all as bad as my experience.
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23-04-2005, 05:41
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dont forget that the girls in the internet shops are not translating just for nam jai
may its for a few beers more often its for more.(so i have been told by a reliable source)
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23-04-2005, 05:56
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steveski "thailand fever" whos the author
do you have ISBN number in front of book agree "hello my big big honey" is a bit dated but still gives a good history and idea of the scene.
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23-04-2005, 11:58
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AD.....Co written by Chris Pirazzi (farang) & Vitida Vasant (thai) ISBN 1-887521-48-8 I ordered through Amazon.....think it was about $30aud all up......good read
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23-04-2005, 13:25
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thanks mav
tess jones meadows greyhounds race 1 no 9 tonite might be worth each way bet!
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Thankfully AD l did not get this message till Sunday  Our horse "She's A Nightmare" ran 2nd at Sandown last Wed week.....as she is leased we have to give her back tomorrow, which is a real pity......she won $86k in prizemoney for the 2 years we had her. New horse leased is called "Absolute Truth "(he is already named even though it could be a sarcastic name for a bg!)....he has already won $76k so we are looking for some wins out of him. Our Trainer has another horse in the stable named "Siam Princess"....turns out that owner has a Thai wife.....have not met her though.
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26-04-2005, 04:28
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mav had a shocking weekend
tess jones 4th glad u didnt back it they 4.5 hour each way trip yesterday with 2 dogs for two 4ths when expecting two wins.(one of them I gave away to some bloke at the track) will keep my eyes open noticed SAN on wed not a bad run bad luck lease over. will blackbook the other two
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Well said that man, who cares what other people think as long as you are both having fun and no one is getting hurt
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Just got an email from this girl that i was with last year & she has sent a photo with it & she looks so HOT, she tells me that she has been busy with her shop bah bah bah. But just looking at that photo is making me think maybe i should end up seeing her or maybe it her way of keeping me on her hook.  I have 2 months till i get to Phuket and i don't need something like this hanging over my head, just about every day now i change my mind as to what i'm doing on this trip, maybe i'm having a mid life crisis. 
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