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17-11-2005, 07:08
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Can England Beat The All Blacks?
The way they have played on this tour I seriously doubt it. This All Black team looks awesome, they changed the whole 15, which had stuck 30 odd points on Wales, and then went and stuck 30 odd points on Ireland.
If the New Zealand backs get any posession they will tear England to pieces. My heart says England in a tight, ugly, forwards game by the odd penalty. My head says New zealand by an embarassingly large margin; 30+ 
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17-11-2005, 07:54
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No All Blacks Will Win
HOW DID THEY GO IN NZ ? WILL BE SAME RESULT
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17-11-2005, 20:11
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Simple answer, Not a chance in hell!!!
All Blacks by 20+ points.......
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18-11-2005, 02:35
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I'd like to think that we will be a lot closer than 20 or 30points from the All Blacks. If Englands forwards can get enough possession, as against the Aussies,and this time the backs turn the possession into points,then I fancy England will be a lot closer. We still won't win it though
 At the moment nobody can touch the New Zealanders, they are head and shoulders No 1 side in the world. But are they peaking too soon,the World Cup is still a way off. And for all the great sides they have produced in the past its a long time since they held the World Cup (1987) I have great admiration for the way the ABs play the game,and it seems other teams follow their way eventually. For such a small country,population wise, rugby union is a way of life to them. I'd be interested in knowing how many ABs would be in a World XV picked today. I suspect at least 10, thats how good they are 
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19-11-2005, 15:03
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20-11-2005, 00:58
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Thanks Ij now we can look stupid together...55555555555.. 
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20-11-2005, 01:16
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Well we were close, but not close enough.
23-19 sure wasn't the pasting "some" of us predicted 
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20-11-2005, 05:51
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Close, very close. Some good pointers there for England, I guess the Six Nations will be a sign of how far they have come now; bring it on!
A good week for the Kiwis tho, their Grand Slam tour will surely be completed and they got the World Cup for 2011.
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20-11-2005, 16:10
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Yeah, good performance by England however, not quite good enough.
Yet again the other British Isle teams Ireland & Wales were humiliated by Southern Hemisphere opposition, they both Capitulated and raised the White Flag of Surrender  Next time the British Lions tour the selectors should only pick English Men.
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20-11-2005, 20:57
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A little unfair on the Welsh and Irish Pentire. Although the Aussies are missing Larkham&Flatley among others,the Irish are also missing a few 1st choice players O'Driscoll being a real loss. Also the Irish have a few players now coming close to the end of their international days and they need to rebuild,same as the Aussies. Although the score was heavily in favour of Australia,by no means was it the hammering it looks. Drew Mitchell looks a good find for you. The Welsh were again punished by a very good S Afican side but the injured players are badly missed by the Welsh. The 6 Nations will be a good indicator of how England are doing. I'm happy with them, but Noon is not yet the answer in the centre. Just as a side thought, if the All Blacks were to play Australia next Saturday,I could see one of the worst beatings the Aussies have ever taken. Don't be fooled by this result in Ireland,they have a huge way to go to get back to their previous high standard. Hmmm the Lions with only Englishmen  . I don't think so,there are a good few Welsh and Irish that are worth a place in the British XV. Not one Scot though
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20-11-2005, 21:53
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Well Ireland were rubbish in both games, I take Dawsey's point though Ireland without O' Driscoll, O' Connell, Hickie etc..etc.. Will always struggle, We simply dont have the pool of players to call on like the All Blacks, Austrailia, South Africa, France and England.....
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21-11-2005, 11:10
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Agree with Dawsey + AllyB above..................the All Blacks are way above anyone else's standards at present and England did a mighty job of holding them to just a few points difference.......some stickling yellow card refereeing helped them greatly in this however........
Yep, the AB's have been in this position less than 2 years out from a World Cup on more than one occasion only to be beaten in the semis by those they would consider lesser teams (Australia for example) so they must be concerned that they are peaking too soon......however who wouldn't want to be in their position at present with almost 2 full sides capable of beating almost any other side?? I think that England and South Africa are the only other sides at present who can take it to them...........Australia is too weak (in the forwards in particular) and the rest of the 6 Nations have very little hope unless Ireland can get their A team back on the pitch and keep them fit through the World Cup Whilst the AB's have been good on this tour I reckon that they were better against the touring Lions............I was at every one of those matches and they were just pumped up for it every time.....so I don't think that picking all England playing for the Lions is the way to go.....apart from that a Lions Tour is just as much about touring and mateship as it is about winning at Rugby
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22-11-2005, 00:49
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Yep Nelsonone,I think just about all you say is correct. Don't forget that the ref also did the ABs a big favour for not whistling for an obvious forward pass for the first try It was so obvious that I'm surprised all the officials missed it.But its history,you get the decisions some days and not others. Incidentally,the England v Wales match in the 6Nations will be one hell of a scrap. There is no love lost between them on the pitch and I fancy England want to settle the score for that penalty from Henson last season that pipped us.
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22-11-2005, 03:31
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Agree with you on the forward pass to Umaga Dawsey........a good metre there...........I just don't know how the 3 referees continually get these wrong....happens in almost every match?? Go upstairs I say!! I think that England will win the 6 Nations this year and do Wales in the process.........judging by the ABs match they seem to have the mongrel back and their intensity and execution is way above Wales efforts recently They will need to cut down on the "mountaineering" though.....3 or 4 of them would have been yellow carded by a Southern Hemisphere referee for rucking legs and backs no where near the ball in last weeks match..........
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22-11-2005, 04:45
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You must mean Danny "Basher" Grewcock nelson Yep he does overstep the mark on too many occasions and had it been lack of form from Ben Kay and other locks then I don't think he would be picked. I agree that the mountaineering is unnecessary and rucking only when a player is laying over the ball. The ref should be yellow carding these incidents,its a tough enough game without that.
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22-11-2005, 04:55
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Look out for the French nelson They have a habit of pi$$ing on our chips. Yours too if I remember the World Cup '99 Under Laporte,they had a great 6Nations and were just pipped by Wales. They have started their internationals with a bang this season and will be very dangerous. I can't remember if they have play here or in Paris but that will be another huge game. I can see Scotland possibly below Italy in the final table,thats how low they have sunk.
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22-11-2005, 10:27
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Agree with you on all points there Dawsey..........if the French turn up they are brilliant.....almost unbeatable.....however if their alter egos turn up??????? I think that they will be close to the top of the 6 Nations.......probably 2nd to England (Wales 3rd....Ireland...then yep...Italy/Scotland a mile behind them) however they are still too inconsistent for mine.....they looked good against the Aussies tho n'est pas............still most teams have so far in 2005 Wales......well I think that they have really dropped their intensity from last year and been shown to lack imagination by the Blacks + SA............. But as I've said before here.......I support anyone who is playing SA............. but probably not as much as I did 20 years ago...........I have noticed that I am beginning to admire their Rugby now thay are playing a more expansive game......note to self......must fight that!
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22-11-2005, 10:34
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Grewcock????? what a thug.....useless savage......not a very welcome man in NZ..........bloody disaster on both the England and Lions tours here....don't know why they don't blood someone with good prospects instead of him with a WC coming up next year??? I did count the whole England front row in the mountaineering section there Dawsey however England is not the only team who is doing it lately..........the AB's are pretty good/bad at it themselves
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22-11-2005, 16:15
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If England can find some creativity in the backs they will start to put teams away and be a good match for the French. Tindall and Noon are not the answer, one or the other of them with a different style of player (Simpson-Daniel?) would be great. Let's hope they try something a little different against Samoa
I actually thought that Grewcock behaved quite well, and he get's his place as much on the strength of his set-piece play as anything else I guess. The All Blacks have their chance to make history now, because if they were to play the World Cup tomorrow they would win it, and they will be at home in 2011 so should retain it and be the first side to do so. I was hoping they got the World Cup, and am seriously hoping to be there as well.
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23-11-2005, 02:14
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I see some of the English press are mooting the idea of moving Lewsey to centre and giving van Gisenberg a start at full back. I don't know whether that will happen,but something has to change in the centres. Still not convinced about Jamie Noon, and Matthew Tait looks a one cap wonder at present. What did Ollie Smith do wrong I wonder?,He has been dropped from the squad for Samoa on Sat. What is your opinion on Andy Farrell? I don't follow league,but he was being talked about as a very good player who could step up to union like Robinson did. I know he is injured at present,but I look forward to seeing him in action. What position would he play ?A big centre Steve,have you already conceded the World Cup to NZ? 2007 is a way to go yet and with France being the home country they will be in the mix.
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23-11-2005, 03:55
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I would rate France's chances for 2007 very highly..........at home they are always difficult and as host they are gonna be one very proud team............I looked up the 6 nations calendar after our last correspondence Dawsey and now see that England play them in France next year ............so might have to reconsider my predictions above actually thought that Grewcock behaved quite well, and he get's his place as much on the strength of his set-piece play as anything else I guess. Yea Steve he wasn't that bad apart from a bit of slap and some "mountaineering"........it's just that he has taken on the evil persona down here due to past behaviour..........I think that he is about as lame as Justin "the plank" Harrison... ex Wallabies.......perhaps they should both go and sit in the room of mirrors together for a while..... AB's have mostly the 2nds in this week but still must be cery confident of taking the Slam..............Scotland..............hmmmmmmmmm ?????? I think that Englands biggest weekness is still with that right Charlie with no 10 on his back...............I hope for your sakes Johny can make it back....tho' prognosis doesn't look good.........hardly played since the last world cup.....who was the young lad they had warming up on the sidelines........any form??
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