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09-10-2006, 17:59
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What about Mundine from Australia.....is he going to get a shot at Kessler ?
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09-10-2006, 23:55
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Yes, I agree that Tyson was a Great Fighter, but saying that he would have beaten them all, is way off the mark. Tyson's biggest weapon was "fear". I have followed boxing for years, both as a fighter and fan, and from what I saw back in the day , was that in the early years, once Tyson started fighting ranked opponents, the fear in his opponents was overwhelming. Yes he had the hardest punches at the time, but his best weapon was the myth that grew around him as he came up through the ranks. No one wanted to "fight" they , had to, he had built up such a ground swell that he could not be avoided. When he finally was beaten, he was not out of shape as some say, he met a man that really-really wanted to fight and finally someone stood up to him, and was not afraid. I could go on and on about this subject,, I am just glad to have grown up at a time when the greatest of all time was showing how great he was!! I absolutely believe that in his prime Ali would have beat Tyson in his prime. NO QUESTION!!!! Power, speed, fearless, relentless, determined, and,,, smarts- the one thing that Tyson lacked. 
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10-10-2006, 00:27
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I my head Joe Louis (Tyson was made for him)and Muhammad Ali,Georg Forman and Joe Fraizer of the good old ones,have a higher rank then Mike Tyson.
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 1. Muhammad Ali - Simply The Greatest 2. Joe Louis - The longest reign in heavyweight history 3.George Foreman - The oldest heavyweight champion 4.Joe Frazier - Owned probably the best left hook in heavyweight boxing 5. Rocky Marciano - Retired unbeaten! 6.Sonny Liston - Had sheer brute force and power. 7.Jack Dempsey - Revolutionised the sport with his savage fighting style. 8.Larry Holmes - Vastly underrated, second only to Louis in number of title defences 9. lenox lewis with hes great jabs 10.Mike Tyson ??  Quote:
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10-10-2006, 00:39
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i missed the Valuev fight but will see replay tonite or tomorrow
from clips i have seen of Valuev, he seems to move around pretty well for his size good article in ESPN magazine this month on him
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10-10-2006, 00:54
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 I agree totally with you on that score Wallbanger. Ali,as a boxer was untouchable. He beat everyone put in front of him,boxers, brawlers, the lot.He would have made Tyson look stupid,remember George Foreman in his prime, and the "Rumble in the Jungle". Ali was far too good and far too clever for George,and he'd have done the same to Tyson. Tyson scared his opponents and he was a big big puncher. But I would have taken Ali every time to beat Tyson if they were both in their prime. All conjecture really though isn't it? My top 5 heavyweights. Ali Frazier Holmes Marciano Tyson I left out Lennox Lewis as he never fought opponents of the same calibre as the others. Edit I wrote this before I saw your list Petter 55555
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10-10-2006, 01:28
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Everyone always mentions Ali Foreman Frazier (who I agree would have won against tyson even in his prime) but everyone forgets Ken Norton who beat all of them.. Such a shame his career was taken from him by the car crash.
Foreman was a monster.. How Ali 'let him punch himself out' during that fight just boggles the mind.. Big George was just such a heavy hitter !!
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10-10-2006, 01:32
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George was an animal Remember him lifting Joe Frazier off his feet with a body shot!!Ken Norton was another great heavyweight LIL. He managed to hit Ali and break his jaw IIRC. Never got the credit due to him did he.
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10-10-2006, 01:40
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He always said he had no problem fighting outside GB for the right fight... For him Kessler is not the big fight he wants and certainly not the one he will fight outside GB for because he does not need too... When he gets the Roy Jones's and the Antonio Tarver's of the world then he will go outside.. Everyone else has to come to him because he's earned, He is the one to beat...
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10-10-2006, 01:43
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has he ever fought in the states? i know of him, but only a little bit i think it would be foolish for any fighter not to fight in the states in the right circumstances
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10-10-2006, 01:46
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But wasent he unik in that way he is the only one that have been a champion without winning a titelmatch A good one of Norton YouTube - Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton 1978
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10-10-2006, 01:46
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Yeah maybe my view on Tyson is totally biasd as I grew up watching and loving to see him fight... And nobody can every really say who would beat who like you said Dawsey.. We can only guess... But I cant believe you left out Joe Louis... He would be in Larry Holmes place for me.. Actually I would put him above Joe Frazier.. I also have always adored Rocky Marciano.. It was some feat finishing unbeaten like he did...
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10-10-2006, 01:50
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Yes he fought once in the states, Forget who against but he did fight... And if the big fight he wants comes along... He will fight in the states again for sure.. As he is hanging up his gloves in another year... Just waiting for the big one...
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10-10-2006, 01:52
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Being honest Ally, I totally forgot about Joe Louis  As for your view on Tyson, for sure, you grew up with him being the top dog,smashing everyone put in front of him so its not surprising you rate him so highly. Its not so much an arguement here really is it,more a debate,and I enjoy this kind of stuff. BTW ,you do have a very good all round knowledge of boxing
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10-10-2006, 03:16
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I agree totally with you on that score Wallbanger. Ali,as a boxer was untouchable. He beat everyone put in front of him,boxers, brawlers, the lot.He would have made Tyson look stupid,remember George Foreman in his prime, and the "Rumble in the Jungle". Ali was far too good and far too clever for George,and he'd have done the same to Tyson. I agree Dawsey, Ali's tactics in the "rumble in the jungle" were brilliant..Most fighters try to stay off the ropes but he leaned into them to bring Foreman onto him(classic)...He knew exactly what he was doing....Think im gonna watch that fight later...Have it on video.... I think one of the most overated fighters in recent times was prince naseem hamed...He was a bum....as soon as he came up against anyone half decent he got battered. Has'nt fought since. I do rate 'Ricky Hatton' and 'Amir Kahn' in the lower weight classes but i think the heavyweight divisions are dead.....
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10-10-2006, 04:47
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I have read all of the posts , and I just can't believe that there has been no mention of one of the greatest of all times, with more comebacks than
Danielson!! How about ROCKY BALBOA Sorry my feeble attempt at humor
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i agree about prince hamed, but at least he was entertaining
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11-10-2006, 06:52
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Ali was a great man and a great fighter but I'm afraid to say I think Tyson in his day would have taken him.
From 1985 - 1990 when he lost to Buster Douglas, Tyson fought and won 37 bouts. Total ROUNDS fought - 126 thats an average of 3.4 rounds per fight. 17 of the 37 were over in the first round and 27 didn't go 4 rounds. I'm sorry, but Tyson could take Ali's best punch, shake his head and come back for more. There are still theories out there that the Buster Douglas fight was lost because the box office was dropping for Tyson's fights because they were no contest. I don't put alot of stock into them, but who here doesn't think Don King is capable of throwing a fight??
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11-10-2006, 15:43
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Well i guess its something we'll never actually know for sure...my guess would have been Ali though aswell in his prime...Think he would have just come up with a great tactic to beat the brawler... Good link Btw
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11-10-2006, 17:12
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Ali fought brawlers (Frazier was a similar out and out brawler with heavy hooks) and was able to use skills to tire them.. His speed, tactics, and intelligence to use his advantages made him such a complete fighter. Personally hes my all time boxing champ and added to that consider him a honourable and interesting character outside of the ring also..
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15-10-2006, 05:33
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LivinLOS, Norton beat Ali once in three (the fight was in his hometown of San Diego too). He got his ass whooped by Foreman in Venezuela in 1974. He never fought Frazier. I recommend "When We Were Kings", a great doc video on Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Norton with them all together in the same room for the very first time. I very inspirational doc. Only Ali beat all three of the others and never ducked anyone, which is why the mystic about him (not to mention standing up to the US military during the draft). The most underrated fighter in those days was Jimmie Young. The TanMan
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15-10-2006, 20:13
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