Congrats to Barry

[JayBee]

Congratulations to Barry Bonds and all Giants fans today on the occasion of his 715th HR, which puts him ahead of George Herman Ruth, aka Babe Ruth, aka The Bambino. It is quite a milestone for him to pass the immortal Bambino.

When you look at the stats, he is perhaps the most feared hitter ever to play the game, when you consider that he has received the most free passes(intentional walks), of any player ever, more than double the number received by Hank Aaron in the number two position. If he can get 40 more HRs, then he will pass Aaron as No. 1 all-time on the HR list, and then, perhaps he will be recgnized as the greatest hitter to ever play the game of baseball!

[IRISH JONNY]

This Is Some Achievement......how Old Is Barry Bonds? How Long More Can He Play On?
Ij

[marc26]

Originally Posted by IRISH JONNY

This Is Some Achievement......how Old Is Barry Bonds? How Long More Can He Play On?
Ij

jonny,
you dont know about the whole steroids issue? although not illegal in baseball at the time, bonds is so juiced up, his records mean shit

[marc26]

Originally Posted by JayBee

Congratulations to Barry Bonds and all Giants fans today on the occasion of his 715th HR, which puts him ahead of George Herman Ruth, aka Babe Ruth, aka The Bambino. It is quite a milestone for him to pass the immortal Bambino.

When you look at the stats, he is perhaps the most feared hitter ever to play the game, when you consider that he has received the most free passes(intentional walks), of any player ever, more than double the number received by Hank Aaron in the number two position. If he can get 40 more HRs, then he will pass Aaron as No. 1 all-time on the HR list, and then, perhaps he will be recgnized as the greatest hitter to ever play the game of baseball!

1st of all, the greatest hitter to ever play the game of baseball was one Mr Ted Williams!!

[Petter]

1st of all, the greatest hitter to ever play the game of baseball was one Mr Ted Williams!!

Sorry for my ignorance i dont know a shit about baseball but one person have i heard of since i was i kid :Babe Ruth, and names like Willie Mays,Ty Cobb is also familiar

But they are probably gone for ages at least B Ruth

[Miami]

Bonds is 38. He could play for a few more years, but I doubt he will. His Home Run/ At Bats ratio has really dropped off and he suffers from a bad knee.
Willy Mays is Barry Bonds Godfather.

May the juice be with you Barry.

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by marc26

1st of all, the greatest hitter to ever play the game of baseball was one Mr Ted Williams!!

Well, I can't really disagree on that point, since there are few that would dispute that the sweet swing of Mr. Ted was the greatest ever, and if not for his stint as a fighter pilot in WWII, his accomplishments in the record books would be more impressive than they are. IIRC, he was the last to hit over .400.

However, the fact that Bonds can even be compared with Williams is a great pean to Barry!!

BTW, when I said Bonds was the greatest, I was wondering if anyone on this board was knowledgable enought to call me on that one? I tip my cap to you, Paul!!

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by IRISH JONNY

This Is Some Achievement......how Old Is Barry Bonds? How Long More Can He Play On?
Ij

Bonds is 41 years old. In good shape, except for his knee, which is bad and painful, often with swelling in it. If he blows out the knee again this year, he will be done for the year. Then, it is likely that he would come back next year to play for an American league team, quite possibly the Yanks, Red Sox, or White Sox, as DH.

Although he is not having a very good year so far, actually his worst ever, he is still the most feared hitter in the game. Still leading both leagues in intentional walks, which means that pitchers are afraid to pitch to him.

Make no mistake about it, the man can still swing the bat. He is walked, pitched around, and is, as far as I know, the only hitter in the game, for whom the opposing team shifts the position of players in the field, putting an infielder in short rignt field, and moving the shortstop to the 2nd base position, just to try to somehow stop him.

Not even Albert Pujols, who is without question, the best hitter in the game currently, gets that kind of treatment. No shift, or automatic intentional walk with runners on base for him. Even Babe Ruth didn't get that kind of treatment, or Ted Williams!

IMHO, Barry is not done, not by a longshot! He still has the good eye, quick hands, great swing, and just as much power asHe is likely to break Hank Aaron's HR record, but he might have to do it with the Red Sox!!

[marc26]

Originally Posted by JayBee

Bonds is 41 years old. In good shape, except for his knee, which is bad and painful, often with swelling in it. If he blows out the knee again this year, he will be done for the year. Then, it is likely that he would come back next year to play for an American league team, quite possibly the Yanks, Red Sox, or White Sox, as DH.

Although he is not having a very good year so far, actually his worst ever, he is still the most feared hitter in the game. Still leading both leagues in intentional walks, which means that pitchers are afraid to pitch to him.

Make no mistake about it, the man can still swing the bat. He is walked, pitched around, and is, as far as I know, the only hitter in the game, for whom the opposing team shifts the position of players in the field, putting an infielder in short rignt field, and moving the shortstop to the 2nd base position, just to try to somehow stop him.

Not even Albert Pujols, who is without question, the best hitter in the game currently, gets that kind of treatment. No shift, or automatic intentional walk with runners on base for him. Even Babe Ruth didn't get that kind of treatment, or Ted Williams!

IMHO, Barry is not done, not by a longshot! He still has the good eye, quick hands, great swing, and just as much power asHe is likely to break Hank Aaron's HR record, but he might have to do it with the Red Sox!!

1st, they do it all the time for david ortiz on the red sox. this last weekend they must have done it 5 times!!
as far as barry bonds, there is no disputing that he is a hall-of-famer and was well before he started taking steroids
its just a shame hes blackened his career because all anyone will ever think is steroids with him and, in my opinion, although hes lumped in with mark mcquire and sammy sosa, bonds was a 1st ballot hall-of-famer before the steroids, whereas mas and sosa were not

as far a teddy ballgame, great point about him taking time off in the prime of his career to fight for his country twice!!
also, john glenn said he was the best fighter pilot hes ever seen!!

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by marc26

jonny,
you dont know about the whole steroids issue? although not illegal in baseball at the time, bonds is so juiced up, his records mean shit

His records are totally legit. He did not break any rules.

Furthermore, the last time I checked,we were still living in the USA. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Bonds never tested positive for steroids, ever! And, to his knowledge, never took any, although it is possible that his trainer was slipping him some,while telling him it was health supplements, which makes him totally innocent, in my book!

They gave Jason Giambi, an admitted steroids user, the Comeback Player of the Year award for last year. Yet, they don't even give Barry a nod for his achievement of passing up the Babe for all-time HR total. Bunch of chicken-ass PC hypocrites!!

Barry is getting a bad rap! The late 90's, early 00's, was the steroids era. You know that all the long-ball hitters, and half the other players, were using them. Hell, they didn't even have a rule against it, so why not?? For Christ's sake, even Marvin Bernard was taking them!!

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by marc26

1st, they do it all the time for david ortiz on the red sox. this last weekend they must have done it 5 times!!

Daivd Ortiz has 27 walks and 187 At Bats. Bonds has 47 walks and 118 At Bats. Therefore, Ortiz has walked once per every 8 plate appearances, and Bonds has walked once per every 3.5 plate appearances.

The facts speak for themselves. Not even close! Bonds gets walked more than twice as much as Ortiz!!

I rest my case!!

[marc26]

Originally Posted by JayBee

Daivd Ortiz has 27 walks and 187 At Bats. Bonds has 47 walks and 118 At Bats. Therefore, Ortiz has walked once per every 8 plate appearances, and Bonds has walked once per every 3.5 plate appearances.

The facts speak for themselves. Not even close! Bonds gets walked more than twice as much as Ortiz!!

I rest my case!!

that wasnt the case we were arguing. you mentioned that they shift the infield for bonds and no one else, they do it for ortiz all the time

[marc26]

Originally Posted by JayBee

His records are totally legit. He did not break any rules.

Furthermore, the last time I checked,we were still living in the USA. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Bonds never tested positive for steroids, ever! And, to his knowledge, never took any, although it is possible that his trainer was slipping him some,while telling him it was health supplements, which makes him totally innocent, in my book!

They gave Jason Giambi, an admitted steroids user, the Comeback Player of the Year award for last year. Yet, they don't even give Barry a nod for his achievement of passing up the Babe for all-time HR total. Bunch of chicken-ass PC hypocrites!!

Barry is getting a bad rap! The late 90's, early 00's, was the steroids era. You know that all the long-ball hitters, and half the other players, were using them. Hell, they didn't even have a rule against it, so why not?? For Christ's sake, even Marvin Bernard was taking them!!

well, what comes around, goes around. bonds is the biggest asshole in sports and is now getting what he deserves
giambi is a great guy and thats why people let it slide

[seafox]

Originally Posted by marc26

well, what comes around, goes around. bonds is the biggest asshole in sports and is now getting what he deserves
giambi is a great guy and thats why people let it slide

Seconded.

If Barry was more personable maybe things would be different for him but he is always an a**hole and never changes. Barry brought it all on himself with his attitude.

Giambi screwed up, admitted it, and now everyone is rooting for him to do well steroid free.

Look at what happened to Rafael Palmeiro. While he wasn't adored he was a very respected ballplayer and then he got caught in a big lie and that was it for him.

And too bad that Babe Ruth did not get more at bats in Boston in the first 5 years of his career, the home run record that he would have set would have been insurmountable.

[Miami]

Originally Posted by JayBee

Bonds is 41 years old. In good shape, except for his knee, which is bad and painful, often with swelling in it. If he blows out the knee again this year, he will be done for the year. Then, it is likely that he would come back next year to play for an American league team, quite possibly the Yanks, Red Sox, or White Sox, as DH.

You're right, Bonds is 41...my mistake. At $20,000,000.00 per year it would be a stretch for even George to pick up that kinda payroll for what Bonds has left to offer. Read below.

Although he is not having a very good year so far, actually his worst ever, he is still the most feared hitter in the game. Still leading both leagues in intentional walks, which means that pitchers are afraid to pitch to him.

Getting an intentional walk does not mean the pitcher is afraid to pitch to the batter. It just means that he might be the only "threat" in the line-up and with runners on base and/or 1st base open it's prudent to take the bat out of his hands. Cabrera of the Marlins was getting intentional walks at the start of the season because he was thought to be the only threat...Alou should have taken note of that last night.

Make no mistake about it, the man can still swing the bat. He is walked, pitched around, and is, as far as I know, the only hitter in the game, for whom the opposing team shifts the position of players in the field, putting an infielder in short rignt field, and moving the shortstop to the 2nd base position, just to try to somehow stop him.

You're missing the point of a "shift". Bonds played Monday night with a less exagerated shift. The opposing pitcher went after him (not much fear there) and Bonds ended with a 1 for 4 night.

Not even Albert Pujols, who is without question, the best hitter in the game currently, gets that kind of treatment. No shift, or automatic intentional walk with runners on base for him. Even Babe Ruth didn't get that kind of treatment, or Ted Williams!

Why would you use the shift against a batter that hits to all fields??? You're so infatuated with the "dramatics" of the shift you fail to realize that it happens because of Bond's predictability. He's a dead pull hitter with little ability to hit to the opposite field.

IMHO, Barry is not done, not by a longshot! He still has the good eye, quick hands, great swing, and just as much power asHe is likely to break Hank Aaron's HR record, but he might have to do it with the Red Sox!!

IMHO, Bonds will have a tough time of it from here on out. His production has fallen off. He'll get maybe 25 HRs this year and if he's lucky, he'll get 20 next year...which means he'll still be short.

As to Bonds never failing a drug test...what drug test??? The same one that Sosa and McGuire took? And since it has come to be known that Bonds likely was using an inhibitor, what would the test have meant???
Yes, in the US justice system, you are considered innocent until proven guilty. But we're (baseball fans) not talking about what the courts can prove or not prove about our dear old Barry, we're talking about cheating, we're talking about someone skewering the rules to their advantage so that they can be ranked with the greats of this game, we're talking about someone that put themselves FIRST and left the fans, the game of baseball and all the great players of the past somewhere farther back in the pecking order of importance.
I grew up in Connie Mack stadium. I love baseball. Hell, when I was a kid, I LIVED baseball. I'm a fan. Barry Bonds doesn't have to worry about how the American justice system views him, because, in the end, it's how I and every other baseball fan views him. We are the ones he should have been considering before he decided to damage our game in order to get what was best for him. Bobby Bonds was a great player. For me, his son will never be in the same league.

[Miami]

Well, I totally screwed up my post. Most of what I had to say is included in the quote, so, for those interested, you'll have to read through the quote to get all of my response. I'm just too lazy to redo.

[Dojoden]

JB ,

sorry I just caught this thread. I totally agree with Paul about Bond's totals meaning nothing. He could always hit the ball, but when he started juicing it was obvious. He should be band from baseball for now on and banned from the hall of fame. Just like Pete Rose.