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08-05-2007, 05:27
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You make a good point, but you and I and the coaches, GMs, and people who pick the Olympic team know the guy is top-notch, just the kind of young guy they need to run that team on the floor. However, until he goes out there in that bright media spot light and shows America that he is a premier player, then he is only a potentially premier player, just the 12th best guard in the informed fans' eyes, and still a nobody to John Q. Public. He is on the team, that is a big step, but the Olympics are over a year away, so his day as a premier star is still in the future. And it won't happen if the team performs like it did in 2004. He has to turn the team into a winner, or they will get more criticism than glory, and you know that some will say he was a poor choice if they lose. I think he is a great choice and think that he can do it!! Go USA!!!! Anyhow, maybe his big day is sooner than I realized(you got me there). I hope that is the case, because the 2004 team was a major embarrassment!
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08-05-2007, 05:33
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Although i want the Warriors I am going to go with Utah they are hitting their stride and Boozer looks incredible and is a bad match-up for the Warriors defensively Utah is also extremely deep Baron has the hammy. Hammy's are hard to get rid off in the playoffs i will be rooting for G-State though
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08-05-2007, 06:32
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I know that. That is why I said what I did a about him. Because you can't dispute it. You make him out to be Nelson's flunky, but you know he is not that kind of guy. Quote:
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Well, I was here in the Bay Area at the start of the season and you never heard or read that kind of talk here. It was all about how this team was finally going to mature and gel under Davis' floor leadership, how the other guys would all fit into the big plan. There was nothing but big optimism here, especially after they got off to a terrific start in November. I listened to what Nellie had to say after every game on the radio post-game show w/ Nelllie.  He was very forthright in his assessment of his player's performances. I go by what he had to say, not the papers. Quote:
I can see your point. However, Dunleavy was expected to finally come into his own, and be the new Chris Mullin. His game is very similar to Mullins, and if his jumper was only as dependable, it may have worked. Like Mullin, he is smart, a very good ball handler, and passer, good at moving the ball to create shots for other guys. Maybe a slightly better rebounder than Mullin, too, and, at times, the way he hustled reminded me of Mullins. Unfortunately, he didn't hustle 100% of the time like Chris did. He would have fit if he played better. Murphy could have fit in just fine, too, if he played better. He was supposed to be the center(he's taller than Harrington, who plays center in Nelson's small ball line-up). Biedrins hadn't shown much before this year, and was a big disappointment. Foyle just didn't fit in. As a center, Murphy, theoretically, fit just fine into small ball, since he was supposed to rebound, lead the break and play D. But he got hurt too often, and is too inconsistent. He is a good rebounder, and on a good night, a potent scorer. But too many no-show nights, and not nearly a good enough defender, and, in the end, it was his defense, that could no longer be tolerated. Quote:
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The trade was made to get Harrington, because Murphy and Dunleavy just never lived up to expectations, and to rectify Mullin's mistakes of giving the big contracts to those guys. Jackson was a neccessary part of the deal, mainly because Indiana wanted to unload him. To get Harrington, GS agreed to take Jackson. He turned out to be the joker in the deck of cards that got shuffled, and it was "jokers wild" against Dallas. Because of the guy's volatitlity, we still don't know that some day he may self-destruct and Indiana will be happy they traded him if that happens. The deal was really Murphy for Harrington. But no one would be stupid enough to make that deal, unless they had another motive. That motive was getting rid of Jackson. Indiana needed to get more out of the trade, and saw value in Dunleavy. If he ever lives up to his potential, again, Indiana will be happy they made the trade. Plus they traded a nutcase for a solid citizen, which at the time must have seemed to make a lot of sense. He is not a bad player, but he is a role guy, and you expect more from an overall 3 pick in the draft, and he always suffered from unrealistically high expectations of him. The big problem between him and GS was that they agreed to pay him more than he is worth, thereby making him a financial liability. Quote:
Gee, thanks, Paul!! Go Warriors!!! 
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I'll have to watch the first game. Haven't see Utah play yet, and don't know their players well enough. It will be a game of match-ups. The big match-up will be against Boozer, IMHO. But then they say Deron Williams is pretty good, too, so we'll have to see how Davis's legs hold up against him. Kirilenko is no slouch, either. But, naturally, I am going with the Warriors, anyhow!!! Just on sheer momentum, which I hope holds up!
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08-05-2007, 06:48
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Oh, yeah, one small thing there. If that's the case, then the only thing I have been wrong about is........... NOTHING!!! 
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08-05-2007, 06:54
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Thanks, Seafox!!! They will need all the luck they can get against a tough Utah team with a great coach. The biggest thing they have going against them at this point in time, is that Utah has home-court advantage, and that could turn out to be an important factor. But a little luck could offset that advantage.
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08-05-2007, 14:27
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Warrior Lose!!
Ya live by the three, ya die by the three!!
But all credit goes to the Jazz. They played one hell of a great basketball game. Sloan is a master coach. Williams is the star of the future now. Boozer pulled the big boards and made the big shots at crunch time. Kirilenko is the best defensive forward I have seen in ages.
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08-05-2007, 20:53
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10-05-2007, 22:00
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Sorry to jump in all of a sudden, but I nearly jumped when I read that last line. AK47? His "defense" is getting cheap blocks from the weakside and by letting guys drive past him to block from behind. That accounted for his 3+bpg a few years ago. While I will say that he's a decent defender, I'd much rather go with guys like Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, and Shawn Marion. These guys are the best in the league. AK47's production has slipped due to Boozer and William's emergence, and even Okur. I won't be surprised if the Jazz try to rid him after the playoffs. Did you see him cry after Game1 with the Rockets?  
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10-05-2007, 23:48
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Tough Loss
Two games that the Warrios had a good to great chance to steal. Deron Williams has decided to make these playoofs his coming out party, much the way Mike Bibby did a few years ago with Sacramento. If GS doesn't hold serve these next two games the series is essentially over (i.e they have to win both of the games in Oakland, if they lose both, well the series WILL be over!) . I think they've got a good chance to do it. Baron's hammy doesn't seem to be affecting him much at all.
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11-05-2007, 00:58
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ESPN.com - NBA - Fisher delivers in every way
Story behind Derek Fisher's day leading up to last night's game. Great to hear that his family is doing well. Also really makes you admire his play last night even more.
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11-05-2007, 01:11
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11-05-2007, 11:29
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While we're talking about the NBA, who here thinks the Pistons will win yet again this year?
I'm pretty sure the Cavs will take on the Pistons in the East Finals, but don't see them beating the most balanced team out there.
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11-05-2007, 13:49
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That is exactly what he does. I don't call that cheap. I call it an amazing and effective defensive talent that forces the opposition to have to change their tactics. It throws them off their whole game. Quote:
You may be right, because if you put a big body on Kirilenko, and bang him around a bit, he will probably not be as effective. Like if he was trying to guard Boozer, he may have trouble. But as a force for stopping not merely one, but several players from driving to the hoop, he is impressive, and that can really cause problems for team with that kind of game, if they are not canning high % of their 3s. As the game goes on, the pressure to hit those 3s builds and builds, making it harder and harder to do so with consistency. Quote:
Kirilenko is the difference in this series, IMHO. He has made it nearly impossible for the Warriors to complete drives to the bucket. To be able to throw up a ceiling between them and the hoop, and to do it consistently without fouling, is an exceptionally rare defensive ability. Who does Kirilenko guard? Stephen Jackson. Look at Jackson's performance in Game 2. 4 for 18 from the floor. 2 for 10 from 3 pt. range. Too many 3 pt shots and not enough drives to the hoop. He doesn't even look like the same player he was in Dallas. Why? He knows he can't drive to the hoop against Kirilenko and has given up trying. In the 2nd half, at one point, Davis got isolated on the left side against Kirilenko. Everyone else stood back and watched. Sure, Davis got past him. But when he went up with the shot, he hit the "Kirilenko ceiling" and it came right back down without getting near the hoop. Davis never drove on him again.
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11-05-2007, 13:58
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I listened to Nellie today. He said the guys played 2 fantastic games, and he was proud to be their coach, but it was a shame that they blew the game when they had it won. He said that afterwards, the guys were down, and he went over to Davis and Pietrus, gave them each a big hug, and told them that he felt really bad for them. Besides the obvious blown FTs, he said the reason that they lost is that they are worn down and beaten up by going up against bigger teams in games where the refs are not calling a lot of contact that they normally do. It is the old attitude of, "this is the playoffs, so let the players decide it, and don't call fouls on a lot of rough contact." He wasn't criticizing the refs, as he said that is has always been that way, and he is not saying it is wrong. But the guys have played a lot of minutes and a lot of big games against bigger guys and it is taking a toll. They are really banged up, and almost all of them were suffering from flu or colds in Utah also. Let's hope some home cooking will miraculously restore them to health!!
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11-05-2007, 14:15
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Game 2: Warriors Choke!!!
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You can say all you want about the Fisher story, and he deserves loads of credit , but the bottom line is that the Warriors choked big time. They need to make 2 out of 4 FTs to lock up the win, and only made one! They had it won, and gave it away. And long before the 4th quarter, I said, "If the Warriors lose, they lost this game on the FT line, because the Jazz are way better FT shooters. The Jazz were draining them and the Warrrors missing too many all game long. When you are giving up such a rebound advantage, you can't lose so many points on the FT differential. The one great play that Fisher made was not the 3 pt shot, but when he single-handedly "triple-teamed" Davis into making an out-of-bounds turnover, using the sideline and the half-court line as the second and third defender to corner Davis and get him to make a very costly turnover. Here again, Davis choked under the pressure Fisher brought to bear. Considering they were 5 pt s ahead at the time, with less than a minute to play, and a Warrior bucket would have nailed the Jazz' coffin shut, it was really an incredible blunder by Davis, but also a great play by Fisher. In Davis' defense, however, I will say Fisher was fresh, and Davis was running out of gas!
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Jaybee, I take it you're a Warriors fan since you're in CA.
AK47 is a good defender, I guess I just can't see him shut down the superstars like Bruce Bowen can. I'm a huge fan of these self-less defenders who don't care about their stats or anything but just helping their team to win. A while ago, Kobe said the guy that defends him the best was none other than Bowen, which is saying something as Kobe is probably the best scorer in the league right now. Of course, "limiting" Kobe would be to keep him under 30pts! Ak47 isn't happy with his offense right now because Sloan isn't running any plays for him. I just wish he'd concentrate on his defense only and let the offense come to him, instead of begging for plays. The Jazz would be so much better if Kirilenko focused on his defense. Anyways, I'd love to continue to discuss pro ball with you as I'm a huge fan of the NBA, since the days of MJ. My team was and still is the Houston Rockets, since Hakeem won back to back 94-95. Hakeem is my all-time fave player. Dream shake!! I just wish Yao Ming would take some lessons from Hakeem and develop a real post game instead of taking those dumb fadeaways!
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12-05-2007, 12:23
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Hakeem is arguably the best center to ever play the game. He had the complete game!! But you might get a few arguments from Lakers and Celtic fans re Kareem, Russell, and Chamberlain. But, no question, Hakeem was the top guy in his era. Nobody in the game now can compare, and we really haven't seen anybody close to him since he hung it up. As for Kirilenko, you are probably right. But then Bruce Bowen is the best defender in the league, and has been for many years. And I based my assessement of Kirilenko on 2 games in which he was spectacular with 13 blocks. He didn't look so good when Baron jammed in his face tonight, but then that was more on Baron than against Kirilenko, if you are fair about it.
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Game 3: Warriors Dominate!!!
Asked what happened to his team tonight, Jerry Sloan gave all the credit to the Warriors for their stellar performance. As he put it, "they came out after us like a pack of wild dogs."
Wild dogs who can shoot the lights out from behind the arc, I might add!!  The Baron was simply sensational with a 360 layup and an in your face jam against Kirilenko!!! Incredible!!!!! 
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