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How About Those Warriors?

Warriors 97, Mavericks 85 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was that the most exciting game you have seen this year or what?!!!
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You aren't one of those jump on the bandwago kind of guys, are you JB?
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So JB, do you think the Warriors have a shot at winning the series?
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So JB, do you think the Warriors have a shot at winning the series?

although they did have the mav's # this season
they wont win the series
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You aren't one of those jump on the bandwago kind of guys, are you JB?

Been a die-hard Warriors fan for 20 years, and it sure hasn't been easy. Went into this season with great hopes, based on the team's big turnaround perfomance last year in the latter part of the season after trading for Baron Davis. But he's injury-prone, always pulling his hamstring, and had a bad knee this year, as well.

Honestly, I had given up on them this winter. They got off to a real good start the first 20 games or so, then they tanked when Baron's knee acted up. It seemed like they had given up themselves when they dumped Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy, although it was clear that Murphy had to go, and Dunleavy never lived up to his "3rd pick in the draft" potential. Al Harrington had to be an improvement over Murphy, but I didn't know much about Stephen Jackson, except he had the troublemaker label on him, and wasn't getting much playing time in Indiana. I figured they wanted Harrington, wanted to get rid of Murphy, and were willing to throw in Dunleavy to accomplish that and unload some big contracts, since although Dunleavy is a talented player, he is a role player, not dominant, and therefore not worth the big money they gave him on a contract extension.

So, anyhow, there I was in LOS, checking the scores everyday, and the addition of Harrington didn't seem to help as they were still losing most of their games. By the time I got to Phuket, I didn't have a reliable wifi connection, and wrote the Warriors season off(they were 26-35), as it looked like another year of high hopes that came to nothing. Just another typical Warrior season!

Then I get back to California, am riding in my car, turn on the sports channel and hear, "the Warriors control their fate, if they win their remaining games, they are in the playoffs." Playoffs!! It sounded unbelievable! But they won their last 5 games, 9 of the last 10, and 16 or the last 21 / Baron got healthy, and the team finally jelled, when Harrington and Jackson got used to playing with the other guys.
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So JB, do you think the Warriors have a shot at winning the series?

They definitely have a shot, but it is going to be a very hard-fought series. They will be defending on every shot, and fighting hard for every loose ball. It will be intense to the max. The Mavs were very surprised yesterday. It was like they ran into a buzz saw, and they never expected that from an 8 seed. They will be back for Game 2 with a new determination now that they know what they are up against.
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although they did have the mav's # this season
they wont win the series

That's easy to say, because how can one of the best teams the league has seen in years(67 wins), who were totally dominant since December, lose to an 8 seed, that won only 42 games. You look at the numbers, and say it is not possible. You look at the Dallas line-up of Nowitski, Jason Terry, Josh Howard, and Deavin Harris, plus Dampier and Diop at center, and say, "How could they possibly lose?"

However, the Warriors believe they can win. They believe in themselves, and are playing with an incredible intensity right up and down the line-up, which is deep. Jackson and Davis are playing like they are on a mission.

The Mavs' problem is that they don't really have anyone who can guard Davis effectively. They are going to have to double-team him, and play a collapsing defense, because they don't have one guy who can handle him. That leaves guys open for 3 pointers - Jackson, Richardson, and Ellis. Don't underestimate those 3 guys. If they can hit the threes, the Warriors will win. And if they leave a lane open to the basket, any one of those guys can go in and slam it. Davis, Ellis, Jackson,and Richardson are tremendous athletes, and so is Pietrus, for that matter, although he is not as good at handling the ball.

The bottom line is that when you have that kind of athleticism, plus good shooters, it puts a tremendous pressure on Dallas. Constant pressure. Sunday Dallas cracked under the pressure. Davis and Jackson thrive on pressure, and Ellis seems like he is becoming that kind of player also.

The Warriors weakness is the center position. They have a good center in Biedrins, a good back-up in Foyle, and a forward playing center in Harrington. Nelson prefers to go with Harrington, because then he can have Davis, Ellis, Richardson, and Jackson, his best players on the floor at once. Biedrins is inexperienced, makes mistakes, and takes a scorer off the floor when he is in. Neither Biedrins nor Foyle handle the ball well. Dampier can outmuscle Biedrins, and Foyle can't score. Diop is more athletic than either of them.

It will be interesting to see if Harrington can handle Dampier. He had a hard time with Diop. Also, with Harrington at center, Jackson and Pietrus had to guard Nowitski. Jackson gives up 4 inches, and Pietrus gives up 6, although he is a tenacious defender.

For Dallas to win then, they have to slow down the action, and play the half-court game, so they can dominate in the paint with their 7 footers, Nowitski, Dampier, and Diop. Personally, Dampier has never impressed me. But Nowitski is a great player, and I have been impressed with Diop's athleticism, and hustle.

Avery Johnson tried to match up with Nelson's smaller, more athletic line-up, and found out that they couldn't win that game. It's his move. If he goes to the big line, which he probably will, then it is up to Nelson to figure out how to offset the Dallas height advantage. I don't know how Nelson will do it, but I think the old master has a few tricks up his sleeve that Johnson hasn't seen yet. If anyone can figure a way to defend against them, it's Nelson. He knows Nowitski better than anyone.

But, in the end, I think it will come down to the two great players on these teams. Dirk Nowitski and Baron Davis. In game one, Davis had 33 points. He single-handedly kept his team in the game in the 3rd quarter, when Dallas had the lead and looked like they would pull away. And when the Warriors took the lead in the 4th, Davis buried the Mavs. Nowitski was a non-factor in the 4th quarter and had a poor game overall.

My prediction is that the play of Davis will determine the outcome. He is the guy who has to break down the Dallas defense. If Dallas can not stop him, the Warriors will win. Davis finally is healthy, and he has the kind of fired-up, hustling, never-say-die team behind him that he wants, and the kind of coach that he has always wanted, calling the shots. When the chips are down, he will call the Baron's number, time and again. It will be Davis, not Nowitski, who will determine the outcome, win or lose, IMHO.

I am going to go way out on a limb here - Warriors in six!!!!!!!
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The interesting thing is that Nelson told everyone straight up what he was going to do which was to play a small line up and throw 2-3 guys at Nowitzki if he so much as looks at the ball. In that 1st game it worked and to tell you the truth that's how the Warriors beat the Mavs every game during the regular season, so the Mavs had to know what to expect going into the game.
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Warriors did seem to come around at the end of the season, but I still believe the Mavs will win the series.

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The Warriors Totally Rock!! 109-91

OK, they blew game 2 when Baron and Stephen J. self-destructed, and Jason Terry showed that he is the man for Dallas.

But Game 3 and the Baron was right back on track. Brilliant game. Not the top scorer but still had 24 pts. Much more important than his scoring, was his performance as "field general" out there directing the offense, making his teammates better players, and enabling Jason Richardson to rise to the occasion and show off his talent. They really needed a lot more from JR than what he showed in Games One and Two. Tonight he came through big time with 30 points, and some fantastic plays to watch.

Other highlights included the play of Andres Biedrins, who played the entire first half, and held his own against Eric Dampier very nicely. That was a major plus, since Harrington has yet to shine. Steven Jackson, as usual, got the team fired up, and also exposed the defensive liabilities of Dirk Nowitski, who was a non-factor in Game 3.

All in all, these teams are showing that they are possibly the two best teams in the league right now!!
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Quote of the Day.

When asked how he was able to regain his composure for Game 3, and play so well, after what happened in Game 2, being thrown out, Baron replied, "My Grandmother says she's gonna whoop me if I get thrown out again!"
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I Love This Game!

Warriors now up 3-1 in the series. I don't see the Mavs coming back against them at this point. It looked like Stackhouse was going to take over the game for a minute but then Baron started doing his thing. Pretty good weekend of basketball all around -- my Bulls swept the Heat too!
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i think Dirk is hurt
looks so awkward, but could be GS's defense

look at J-Kidd's line from Friday night
19asst, 16rebounds and 16points

one of the best stat lines in NBA history
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well, Bay Area boys
what a series
and i was wrong

i am one of the biggest hoop junkies you will meet and i have never seen a crowd like that
i knew GS had a great crowd but that was unreal
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I wasn't at the game, just watched it at the local pub and my throat is still hoarse and my ears ringing. I'd pick the Warriors against either Houston or Utah right now. Now if my Bulls can just steal one from Detroit this weekend all will be right with the world at least for a while.
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That's easy to say, because how can one of the best teams the league has seen in years(67 wins), who were totally dominant since December, lose to an 8 seed, that won only 42 games. You look at the numbers, and say it is not possible. You look at the Dallas line-up of Nowitski, Jason Terry, Josh Howard, and Deavin Harris, plus Dampier and Diop at center, and say, "How could they possibly lose?"

However, the Warriors believe they can win. They believe in themselves, and are playing with an incredible intensity right up and down the line-up, which is deep. Jackson and Davis are playing like they are on a mission.

The Mavs' problem is that they don't really have anyone who can guard Davis effectively. They are going to have to double-team him, and play a collapsing defense, because they don't have one guy who can handle him. That leaves guys open for 3 pointers - Jackson, Richardson, and Ellis. Don't underestimate those 3 guys. If they can hit the threes, the Warriors will win. And if they leave a lane open to the basket, any one of those guys can go in and slam it. Davis, Ellis, Jackson,and Richardson are tremendous athletes, and so is Pietrus, for that matter, although he is not as good at handling the ball.

The bottom line is that when you have that kind of athleticism, plus good shooters, it puts a tremendous pressure on Dallas. Constant pressure. Sunday Dallas cracked under the pressure. Davis and Jackson thrive on pressure, and Ellis seems like he is becoming that kind of player also.

The Warriors weakness is the center position. They have a good center in Biedrins, a good back-up in Foyle, and a forward playing center in Harrington. Nelson prefers to go with Harrington, because then he can have Davis, Ellis, Richardson, and Jackson, his best players on the floor at once. Biedrins is inexperienced, makes mistakes, and takes a scorer off the floor when he is in. Neither Biedrins nor Foyle handle the ball well. Dampier can outmuscle Biedrins, and Foyle can't score. Diop is more athletic than either of them.

It will be interesting to see if Harrington can handle Dampier. He had a hard time with Diop. Also, with Harrington at center, Jackson and Pietrus had to guard Nowitski. Jackson gives up 4 inches, and Pietrus gives up 6, although he is a tenacious defender.

For Dallas to win then, they have to slow down the action, and play the half-court game, so they can dominate in the paint with their 7 footers, Nowitski, Dampier, and Diop. Personally, Dampier has never impressed me. But Nowitski is a great player, and I have been impressed with Diop's athleticism, and hustle.

Avery Johnson tried to match up with Nelson's smaller, more athletic line-up, and found out that they couldn't win that game. It's his move. If he goes to the big line, which he probably will, then it is up to Nelson to figure out how to offset the Dallas height advantage. I don't know how Nelson will do it, but I think the old master has a few tricks up his sleeve that Johnson hasn't seen yet. If anyone can figure a way to defend against them, it's Nelson. He knows Nowitski better than anyone.

But, in the end, I think it will come down to the two great players on these teams. Dirk Nowitski and Baron Davis. In game one, Davis had 33 points. He single-handedly kept his team in the game in the 3rd quarter, when Dallas had the lead and looked like they would pull away. And when the Warriors took the lead in the 4th, Davis buried the Mavs. Nowitski was a non-factor in the 4th quarter and had a poor game overall.

My prediction is that the play of Davis will determine the outcome. He is the guy who has to break down the Dallas defense. If Dallas can not stop him, the Warriors will win. Davis finally is healthy, and he has the kind of fired-up, hustling, never-say-die team behind him that he wants, and the kind of coach that he has always wanted, calling the shots. When the chips are down, he will call the Baron's number, time and again. It will be Davis, not Nowitski, who will determine the outcome, win or lose, IMHO.

I am going to go way out on a limb here - Warriors in six!!!!!!!

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I wasn't at the game, just watched it at the local pub and my throat is still hoarse and my ears ringing. I'd pick the Warriors against either Houston or Utah right now. Now if my Bulls can just steal one from Detroit this weekend all will be right with the world at least for a while.

i think Warriors will beat Houston or Utah but would have tougher time with Utah
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You called it JB

Indeed, I did, Bmoov!!! In retrospect, seems like it wasn't that hard of a call!

To recap the drama:

Game 4 was a hard fought game all the way. Dallas came out of the locker room with fire in their eyes. Through 3 and a half quarters, they threatened to pull away from the Warriors, but each time they looked like they were going to do it, Davis scored and the Warriors closed the gap by the end of each quarter. Then with 6:30 remaining in the game, the Warriors showed that they can be a clutch team, soon catching and passing the Mavs, 103-99 final.

As I said before, as goes Baron, so go the Warriors. The Baron had a fantastic game with help from the usual suspects, Stephen J, and J Rich. Surprises were that Ellis disappeared, and Pietrus showed he can't be taken lightly.

Game 5: Two ways to look at this game: 1) It was Dirk's game, and well overdue for such a great player. The 2 in a row 3 pointers he hit when Dallas trailed by 9 with 3 minutes remaining was simply fantastic icewater-in-the-veins clutch performance by Nowitski. 2)Chalk up a loss in the Coach's column as Nellie blew this one. Up by 9 points, he slowed the game down into a halfcourt game, and left a key defender, Biedrins, on the bench. You can bet he wouldn't make those mistakes again. Final:118-112, Mavs, who ran off the last 15 points in the game.

Davis played well enough to win, but Nowitski made the big shots this time. Score one for Dirk. Nevertheless, the Warriors showed they are for real, by nearly pulling off the big upset on the Mavs' home court, no small feat.
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The Victory!!!!

Game 6: This game was do or die for both teams, because if the Warriors can't win in Oakland, then what chance do they have in Game 7 in Dallas. A loss here would shift momemtum to where it would take a miracle for GS to win in Dallas.

In the 2nd quarter, with Dallas ahead by a couple of points, Davis went into the locker room with a pulled hamstring, the muscle that has plagued him throughout his career and kept him from claiming his place as one of the premier stars of the league. On the next GS possession, Jackson was hammered by a wicked shot to the forehead under the boards. He went down in a heap, and lay there for several minutes, grimacing in pain, trying to shake it off and clear his brain, as the trainer attended to him. At that moment, watching a clearly dazed Jackson, and knowing Davis was out of the game, it was a very scary interlude for GS fans. You could see the whole season going down the drain before your eyes. On the next couple of possessions, Monta Ellis, who was removed from the lineup because he had been pretty much a no-show this series, came in and scored two buckets. That was huge from a guy who had done nothing, but he sure showed up when the team was in dire straits. Then Jackson came back in, and Davis emerged form the locker room before half time to lead the team back to a 2 pt. lead.

In the 3rd quarter, the Warriors came out and simply play incredible basketball, with Davis and Jackson, the guys who have the will to win, the guys who want to win so bad that in Game 3 they got too fired up and were thrown out, they showed the way. Nelson did not make the same mistake he made before. Instead of slowing it down he put the pedal to the medal.

It was a great series. And the Warriors learned a lot about themselves. They learned that Davis and Jackson are the clutch guys, and Richardson will always rally behind them. That Ellis and Harrington, overall, were not able to rise to the occasion. Pietrus is a great athlete and solid contributor, and performed pretty much as expected. The BIG SURPRISES - first and foremost, Matt Barnes, who played his best ball of the year, played with same kind of will and inspiration as Baron and Stephen, and showed what kind of a clutch guy he is. Secondly, Andris Biedrins, who is still a little raw, showed, nontheless, that although he occasionally makes mistakes, that he has great talent, does not wilt under pressure, can be a formidable defensive presence blocking and/or changing guys' shots, and, though not a great offensive player, will take one step towards the hoop, leap, and jam it, if a lane to the bucket is left open and he takes the ball in the high post inside the foul line.

In the end, it was Davis v. Nowitski, as to who was not just a great player, but a great leader, who could carry his team to victory. Game 6 was one more feather in the Baron's cap. Everyone is SF area knew what Davis can do. Now everyone knows it. What we all didn't know, is that Stephen Jackson is right there with him, taking on half the load, and making a lot harder for teams to win by doubling and collapsing the lane on Davis. Now we know it. We have learned a lot about these guys, and a lot about their will to win.

Warriors 111, Mavs 86. A blowout!!!!
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Game 6: This game was do or die for both teams, because if the Warriors can't win in Oakland, then what chance do they have in Game 7 in Dallas. A loss here would shift momemtum to where it would take a miracle for GS to win in Dallas.

In the 2nd quarter, with Dallas ahead by a couple of points, Davis went into the locker room with a pulled hamstring, the muscle that has plagued him throughout his career and kept him from claiming his place as one of the premier stars of the league. On the next GS possession, Jackson was hammered by a wicked shot to the forehead under the boards. He went down in a heap, and lay there for several minutes, grimacing in pain, trying to shake it off and clear his brain, as the trainer attended to him. At that moment, watching a clearly dazed Jackson, and knowing Davis was out of the game, it was a very scary interlude for GS fans. You could see the whole season going down the drain before your eyes. On the next couple of possessions, Monta Ellis, who was removed from the lineup because he had been pretty much a no-show this s