Phuket Thailand: Euro 2008 Championship

Bello Uomo · #1 03-06-2007, 09:04

The qualifying programme for Euro 2008 (to be staged in Austria and Switzerland) is starting to take real shape.

Denmark and Sweden played out a 3-3 thriller overnight.

Here is a link to the current standings in each of the qualifying groups.

ESPNsoccernet - Euro 2008 - European Championship Qualifying Tables

For sure, there are going to be some good teams which miss out - maybe even the World Cup champions on current form

MrDK · #2 03-06-2007, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Bello Uomo

Denmark and Sweden played out a 3-3 thriller overnight.

Damn!
It is not often that I get involved with sports talk, or sports at all ... but I still want to see DK win ... and Sweden lose.
Still remember when Denmark entered the European Cup on a cancellation and won the darn thing.

Nautilus · #3 03-06-2007, 09:12

Wasn't the game abandoned?

BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Referee abandons Euro qualifier

Bello Uomo · #4 03-06-2007, 09:17

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Originally Posted by MrDK

Damn!
It is not often that I get involved with sports talk, or sports at all ... but I still want to see DK win ... and Sweden lose.
Still remember when Denmark entered the European Cup on a cancellation and won the darn thing.

I remember that too Lars. It was 1992 I think.

Yugoslavia got kicked out of the tournament because of the war, and Denmark got invited at the last minute. I think most of the players were on summer vacation at the time, probably on the French Riveria. The players played football in a carefree style (ie. nothing to lose attitude) and they went all the way. The Laudrup brothers were mighty players.

Bello Uomo · #5 03-06-2007, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Wasn't the game abandoned?

BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Referee abandons Euro qualifier

Yikes, good pick-up Nautilus! I just saw the 3-3 scoreline and didn't see the "a" for abandoned.

Crazy Danes!!

MrDK · #6 03-06-2007, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Wasn't the game abandoned?

BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Referee abandons Euro qualifier

To abandon a game is certainly a call that UEFA/the referee can make, but resetting the goals of one team because of a spectator

... or did I read that wrong?

Nautilus · #7 03-06-2007, 09:24

Portugal beat Belgium 2-1, Nani scored one of the goals.

Btw, what happened to C.Ronaldo? He wasnt in the squad. I assume on holiday or injured?

Bello Uomo · #8 03-06-2007, 09:26

You read it correctly.

It has happened before in European football when there has been a spectator incident, such as throwing coins or a flare which has struck a player or referee.

MrDK · #9 03-06-2007, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Bello Uomo

You read it correctly.

It has happened before in European football when there has been a spectator incident, such as throwing coins or a flare which has struck a player or referee.

Does not make sense to me at all. How can a team be accountable for a spectator? Second, the team seems to have been proactive in stopping the intruder.

Nautilus · #10 03-06-2007, 09:30

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Originally Posted by MrDK

To abandon a game is certainly a call that UEFA/the referee can make, but resetting the goals of one team because of a spectator

... or did I read that wrong?

In the UEFA rules, if a game is abandoned or not played, it may be awarded by default against the association or club responsible. In addition fined CHF 20,000.

Read this from the UEFA Website.

Dont know if this apples to the Sweden and Denmark game or not.

Nautilus · #11 03-06-2007, 09:32

Just like clubs, the FA have to be responsible for fans in the stadium.

Clubs have been fined really badly before and so was England when they were banned from playing in Europe thanx to the fans.

MrDK · #12 03-06-2007, 09:34

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

In the UEFA rules, if a game is abandoned or not played, it may be awarded by default against the association or club responsible. In addition fined CHF 20,000.

Responsible would be the operative word. Surely if any member of the team helped or provoked this action there would be a point; otherwise ... bullshit (my red and white is surfacing now)

Nautilus · #13 03-06-2007, 09:37

Yaiks...calm down...calm down.

http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19066.pdf

Read article 14 also.

MrDK · #14 03-06-2007, 10:02

Article 14 only refers to the consequences, not the interpretation of fault.

Article 6:Responsibility:
Member associations and the clubs are responsible for the conduct of their players, officials members, supporters and any other persons exercising a function at the match on behalf of the association or the club

Reading article 6 ... If I, as a Dane, show up at a game and do something stupid like that (spectator charging referee); the Danish team/association would be responsible for my actions?

Allybabba22 · #15 03-06-2007, 20:46

MrDK · #16 04-06-2007, 02:26

I am still a little puzzled here ... are the teams responsible for security at the stadium?

Allybabba22 · #17 04-06-2007, 03:08

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Originally Posted by MrDK

I am still a little puzzled here ... are the teams responsible for security at the stadium?

Yes the teams are responsible for the conduct of there fans, Its the same for every country and is the only fair way to decide the outcome of the game, As it was 89mins gone and Sweden had a penalty to make it 4-3 which would not have left much time to score another equaliser, Dont blame Fifa, Blame the idiot that ran onto the pitch!!

MrDK · #18 04-06-2007, 03:24

I do blame the idiot. He should be hauled to jail and be charged with all that he may have coming. Assault, attempted battering in the 1st degree, braking & entering, trespassing, etc. Keep him locked up for a month or two; then followed by civil action for financial damages done.

It is my opinion that you can only hold anyone accountable for thinks that have an involvement in or have control over. In this matter I am beyond the state of being a supporter of the Danish team; I just think this is clazy. Just like a European (including me) would say that it is clazy that McDonald's was responsible for the temperature of the coffee a woman spilled in her lap.

IJ · #19 04-06-2007, 03:30

What Will The Out Come Be??????????????
An Away Win For The Swedes????????????????
Ij

Tarzan · #20 04-06-2007, 03:38

There will be a meeting in the UEFA this week, to decide what to do. They are awaiting reports from the teams and the referee.
But the probably outcome will be a 3-0 win for sweden....
And the Danes will get a high fine and possibly have to play a game or two without spectators....

Didnt see the game myself, but what others say, it was a great game. Sweden brilliant first half, and Denmark the same in the second half..
Too bad that idiot came in and destroyed it..

Btw.. The idiot apparently lives in Gothenburg.In sweden.. Always said it is weird people living in Gothenburg......hehe

Allybabba22 · #21 04-06-2007, 06:19

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Originally Posted by MrDK

I do blame the idiot. He should be hauled to jail and be charged with all that he may have coming. Assault, attempted battering in the 1st degree, braking & entering, trespassing, etc. Keep him locked up for a month or two; then followed by civil action for financial damages done.

It is my opinion that you can only hold anyone accountable for thinks that have an involvement in or have control over. In this matter I am beyond the state of being a supporter of the Danish team; I just think this is clazy. Just like a European (including me) would say that it is clazy that McDonald's was responsible for the temperature of the coffee a woman spilled in her lap.

The whole point is every single supporter could do the exact same thing if there team was getting beaten in the last moments of a game, Just to get the match abandoned and get a reply out of it, You would never get a match finished

This is the fairest solution, And it will also show the supporters that if they do this in future that it will end up with there team losing and getting a hefty fine, Also he will have to face the anger of the other Danish supporters who he has let down by his actions...

One thing though, I think the match should be given as a 4-3 win to Sweden as its not fair on the other countrys if Sweden get the 3-0 victory, Especially if it comes to the end of the group stages and it comes down to goal difference, That would not be fair on the other teams!!

MrDK · #22 04-06-2007, 08:18

I (think I) understand the rationale for the rules. I just have a fundamental problem with holding someone accountable for something that they have no control over.

Flip the whole scenario; if a team can lose because of an action like this, what would stop a team from bribing a "fan" of the other team to cause havoc like this. This way you can actually buy the game.

Beef up the damn security to prevent fans to enter the field and prosecute anyone who does to the n-th degree.

Bello Uomo · #23 04-06-2007, 10:21

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Originally Posted by MrDK

I just have a fundamental problem with holding someone accountable for something that they have no control over.

Common law has well established precedents on secondary liability - vicarious and contributory liability being the main two.

Bello Uomo · #24 04-06-2007, 10:22

Sooooo, the football.

Oli is going to put us all up at his house next year so we can go watch the matches in Switzerland

Iltis · #25 04-06-2007, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Bello Uomo

Sooooo, the football.

Oli is going to put us all up at his house next year so we can go watch the matches in Switzerland

that could actually be some fun for next year. watching some games and havin a couple of beers....

Allybabba22 · #26 04-06-2007, 19:51

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Originally Posted by MrDK

Beef up the damn security to prevent fans to enter the field and prosecute anyone who does to the n-th degree.

OMG you have finally cracked it

And who is responsible for the security in the stadiums?

Obviously its the home country, And I think you are being quite cynical in thinking someone would bribe someone from a different country to storm the pitch, It could happen but it is highly unlikely!!

Anyway thats the last I am saying on this, I personally understand why the rules are there and I agree that its the best solution to the problem, I dont always agree with Fifa rules and regalations but this one I do!!

rathcoole_exile · #27 05-06-2007, 00:15

getting back to the football, it's fantastic to see Norn Iron topping a table that includes Sweden, Denmark and Spain.
Lawrie Sanchez did a great job for us before being lured away to the Premiership by Fulham.
with him gone, i expect it will be business as usual from now on, losing heavily to the likes of Latvia & Liechtenstein but let's wait and see how Big Nigel does for us.

from IFA site: (Nigel Worthington is well known to Northern Ireland supporters as the holder of 66 International caps and a former captain. He also captained the Northern Ireland Youth team. He is a former manager of Norwich City FC whom he guided to the FA Premiership as Champions in 2004. He was Nationwide Manager of the Season in 2004 and Manager of the Month three times during that same season. He gained international coaching experience working with the Northern Ireland U21 squad in 2000, coached previously at Blackpool . His playing career included spells with Notts County , Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds United and Stoke City)

Bello Uomo · #28 05-06-2007, 14:45

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Originally Posted by rathcoole_exile

getting back to the football, it's fantastic to see Norn Iron topping a table that includes Sweden, Denmark and Spain.

Good luck to NI, it would be an amazing achievement just to qualify from that difficult group. Spain and Sweden would probably be the favourites with the bookies to qualify.

Nautilus · #29 07-06-2007, 07:04

How was the England vs Estonia game? I watched some highlights on TV this morning. Many praises for Beckham.

Bello Uomo · #30 07-06-2007, 07:22

Italy won

But the pesky Scots keeping winning too

IJ · #31 07-06-2007, 13:19

reading the tabloids this morning you would think that england had won the world cup !!!!!!!!!
fcuking hell..its only estonia !!!!!!!
ij

Nanook · #32 07-06-2007, 13:24

Same for us... we didn't play any qualifiyers, but Holland beat Thailand in Bangkok 1-3 yesterday.

Hope the LT prices for Dutch guys will not increase now... not that I need it anymore.... 555555.....

Nautilus · #33 07-06-2007, 15:27

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Originally Posted by IRISH JONNY

reading the tabloids this morning you would think that england had won the world cup !!!!!!!!!
fcuking hell..its only estonia !!!!!!!
ij

Yeah, England still 4th in the group now, and many more games to play.

From the fixtures list...

Saturday, September 8, 2007
England v Israel Group

September 12, 2007
England vs Russia

October 13, 2007
England vs Estonia

October 17, 2007
Russia v England

November 21, 2007
England v Croatia