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23-08-2007, 14:31
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England International Side Time For A Reality Check
is it just me or does anyone else get angry when reading the english press or listening to phone in programes on sky and radio and having to listen to the anti sven goran eriksen c rap which is constantly on there, mainly they say england have been blessed with a generation of great players but sven wasted them !
well i have known for a long time but after watching last nights game against germany it reinforced my opinion that basically england are impotent in the striking positions nobody would argue that england in recent years have been blessed with some of the best central defenders and midfield players in the world but international games are won by teams with quality goalscoring strikers basically england have not had a goalscorer since allan shearer retired wayne rooney is a great player but not a goalscorer last night brought it home when they lined up with owen (a man who was struggling for form even before his last serious injury) and allan smith (who plays in midfield these days) even when the game was drifting away from them they were forced to bring on CROUCH (no comment) this is a big worry for england because when you look at the top teams who are challenging in the premiership the strikers are all foreigners the only striker on the horizon for england is Dean Ashton at west ham who has yet to play for england ! basically england are in danger of suffering what scotland went through 10 years ago when all of the spl teams were signing up 2nd rate foreigners and the young scots guys were not getting opportunities. i know englands foreign players are top class but they are still denying young english talent a chance to shine and now the chickens are coming home to roost. just look at the improvement made by scotland since more scottish players were given their chance by spl teams (basically because of cash shortages they were all forced to improve their youth policies) ok we will never be world beaters but recently we were ranked as high as 14th in the world a huge improvement on their time under herr bertie vogts. the fa are going to have to take action soon and restrict the number of foreign players in the premiership teams or do they want to pick their side from the championship teams .
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23-08-2007, 15:38
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i'm sorry - but the time has come to say Fvck International football. No one cares anymore.
People like the domestic leagues far more, why should these leagues be penalised to help the dull and lifeless Internationals. Death to FIFA
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23-08-2007, 16:48
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SORRY hobbsy but cant agree there mate my interest in the scottish national side is 10 times bigger than kilmarnock or west ham it did my head in during the bertie bassett years when we were being beaten by almost anyone.
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23-08-2007, 17:22
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give me the club football any day.......ij
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23-08-2007, 17:55
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I agree very much with your opening post here. I also wrote about this issue in my thread The Faith of Football Teams in Small Countries In the rich top football leagues, like England, Spain or Italy, most of the key positions in the teams are taken by foreigners. In secondary leagues, like Portugal, Holland, Germany and France there is still the option of educating your own youth payers, which will then be bought by the teams from the top leagues. This results that the secondary league teams buy 2nd or 3rd class players from allover the world to fill up the gap. You cannot always do that with your own youth players. Eventually, this will kill football IMHO. Sure I like watching club team football, but I do like to watch National teams play as well.
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23-08-2007, 18:53
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Talbotman
EVERYONE to their own thing but watching scotland abroad like i used to do is an awsome expeience being part of the famous tartan army was a privilage which alas bertie basset finished for me.
club football especially the champions league (now there is a joke name) last years finalists were not champions in their own countries and that is a normal occurence for this tournament it pisses me off (and i am not a celtic fan) that celtic as champions of scotland had to play a game against spartak moscow just to get to the champions league sections meanwhile chelsea as runners up in england (same in germany/italy/spain) go straight into the group stage why ? because scotland can only muster a tv audience of maybe 1 million and the other countries mentioned can get up to 10 million so its money talking here not status
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23-08-2007, 19:00
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Why not have a game where winners of all leagues in the world including those from maybe lower divisions fight it out for the Real Champs Cup?
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23-08-2007, 19:04
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Again I agree. It would be much better if the champions league is only for the champions as well as the cupholder, like it used to be. Since there are so many countries member of the UEFA, you can even have qualification rounds like there are now. Or create like three divisions with promotion/relegation. You can set it up according to the UEFA coeficient. It is rediculous that with 32 teams in the group phase, there are 4 teams from England, France, Spain and Italy. The Champions League should be for champions only and not for runners-up or lower.
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23-08-2007, 20:40
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I wish International footy wasnt sh1t but what was the last worldcup that you REALLY enjoyed? mine was probably Italia 90'
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23-08-2007, 21:05
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I think mine was Mexico 86 and France 98. Also liked Spain 82 because the Germans lose the finals... 555....
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23-08-2007, 21:20
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Mexico 86......The Diego Maradonna Show But can't we live in hope ? l think it's time for a Euro Super League myself AC Milan Chelsea Barcelona Lyon Man Utd Real Madrid Porto Liverpool Bayern Munich Arsenal Inter Milan Celtic Glasgow Rangers PSV Vfb Stuttgart PSG Benfica Monaco Villareal Juventus Roma CSK Moscow
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23-08-2007, 21:57
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jees.wouldnt that be a money spinner !!!!!!!!!!
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23-08-2007, 22:02
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Oops... you forgot Ajax Amsterdam. Won CL 4 times and is also #4 on the all time list Behind Real Madrid, AC Milan and Liverpool.
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23-08-2007, 22:08
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i prefered the old system: only the champion from every land. And straight knock out: no groups of 4 or 5. Your opponent was better than you on the home and away game, you're out. Now to much (TV) money involved from big countries, so they got all the advantages, no more surprises.
In the 70's my team played the final against Liverpool in Wembley, that is no more possible for a small country now.
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23-08-2007, 22:17
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Why do England, Italy etc have 4 teams because of the strength of their respective leagues, Scotland has two teams, Ireland none I know of and Holland possibly two that could put up a opposition to any of the top 5 or 6 teams in England, Italy etc.
I still enjoy international football, it still has a place for my entertainment, not to sure about mis timed friendlies and because of the money in the leagues managers are not so keen and players not so patriotic anymore to want to play in a senseless friendly. England are not the world beaters us english fill ourselves up on every major tournament but we lack a world class forward, someone other countries would fear. I do not judge the England side put out this week because of so many players crying off with injuries, but even saying that we would still be wanting in the forwards if we had been able to choose from them all.
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24-08-2007, 01:13
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No it has nothing to do with the Tv audience, Actually I would bet that Celtic has a lot more supporters than Chelsea maybe double, Probably triple and get a much better Tv audience, But its judged on how strong the leagues are and how well the team has done over the last 5 years in Europe, And unfortunatly for Celtic and Rangers they have been consistantly poor in the Champions League and have failed to reach even the quarter finals, Actually they find it hard getting out of the first qualifying group and have failed to do so most of the time, On the other hand you look at how many Spanish, Italian and English clubs consistantly reach the later stages of the Champions League, Last year it was 3 English, 2 Spanish, 2 Italian and 1 German team reached the quarter finals? They want the best teams to fight it out in the Champions League and the best Clubs, No point having a League of Ireland side in the Champions League just to get whipped 10-0 on Aggregate by Ac Milan.. Who wants to see that? Personally I really like the format for the Champions League and I believe Chelsea deserve there place in the group stages ahead of Celtic because they are a better team, And everybody wants to see the best teams fight it out for the biggest cup in club football!!
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24-08-2007, 02:05
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And the only reason Chelsea have a better team than Celtic is purely down to money. A team getting relegated from the premiership gets more money than Celtic do for winning the Scottish league. Celtic proved last season that on the night they can beat one of the best when they beat Man Utd in the group stage, they never got to the Quarters but they did qualify from the group which is about the best they can expect with their budget.
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24-08-2007, 02:50
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this is from a new fan of football and observing the banter on this board
now granted, all the leagues are disjointed so you dont get the same competitive spirit on the board, but i never saw so many posts with as much enthusiasm as when the World Cup was going on
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24-08-2007, 03:53
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Do you think that if Celtic had an equal budget to Chelsea (I use them as you quoted them, but I could name any of 6 more English premier clubs), they would attract better players? I don't think so. The Scottish Premier league is a Mickey Mouse league with only 3, maybe 4 teams that are any good. Celtic Rangers Hearts and Aberdeen(sometimes) If a great player becomes available, he will sign for the English club above any Scottish club because he will further his career in the Premiership, but not in Scotland. (Henrik Larsson was an exception, but did an English club bid for him?) Sorry if I have upset any Scots here, just saying it as I see it. Celtic and Rangers should be in the English Premiership anyway. They are wasting their time playing the other no hopers in that league. How can a side improve playing dross week in week out?
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