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12-10-2007, 16:34
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How to Play Stableford or Modified Stableford Competitions
Stableford scoring systems are stroke-play formats in which the high total wins, not the low. That's because in Stableford, your final score is not your stroke total, but rather the total points you have earned for your scores on each individual hole.
For example, a par might be worth 1 point, a birdie 2. If you par the first hole and birdie the second, you've accrued 3 points. As a format for club tournaments, Stableford formats are more popular in the U.K. than in the U.S. On the pro tours, both the U.S. PGA Tour and the European Tour have a Modified Stableford tournament: The International on the PGA Tour and the ANZ Championship on the European Tour. Stableford in the Rule Book Stableford Competitions are addressed in the Rules of Golf under Rule 32. Stableford is a form of stroke play and, with few exceptions, the rules for stroke play apply. The rulebook also sets forth points totals for a Stableford competition (Stableford tournaments that award points on a different scale than this are known as Modified Stableford): • More than one over fixed score or no score returned - 0 points • One over fixed score - 1 point • Fixed score - 2 points • One under fixed score - 3 points • Two under fixed score - 4 points • Three under fixed score - 5 points • Four under fixed score - 6 points The "fixed score" in question is set by the tournament committee. If the fixed score is set as bogey, then a triple bogey is worth 0 points, a double bogey 1 point, a bogey 2 points, a par 3 points, and so on (the committee might also set the fixed score as a numerical value - say, 6 strokes - as opposed to a relative value). The rules differences for Stableford as compared to normal stroke play have to do with the penalties applied for breaking rules. In some instances (for example, exceeding the 14-club maximum), points are deducted from the competitor, as opposed to a stroke penalty. There are also a number of violations that result in disqualification. The rundown of rules differences in Stableford can be found in the notes to Rule 32-1b and in Rule 32-2. Modified Stableford on Tour The International on the PGA Tour and ANZ Championship on the European Tour use a Modified Stableford format (so-called because its points are awarded on a different scale from that described in the rulebook). Both pro tournaments use the same points scale: • Double bogey or worse - minus-3 points • Bogey - minus-1 point • Par - 0 points • Birdie - 2 points • Eagle - 5 points • Double eagle - 8 points The difference between a rulebook Stableford and a Modified Stableford is usually reflected in the quality of the players. A traditional Stableford is appropriate for "normal" golfers (e.g., you and me), most of whom aren't going to be racking up birdies left and right. Therefore, the traditional Stableford's points system doesn't penalize players with negative points. The pros, however, are in a different league. And the Modified Stableford used on the PGA and European tours harshly penalizes a disaster hole, but offers even greater rewards for very good holes. Strategy in Stableford Competitions The strategy in Stableford formats can, in most instances, be summed up in three words: Go for it. Stableford competitions reward aggression and risk-taking on the golf course. In the traditional Stableford, for example, there are no negative points. If you are facing a carry over water that you normally wouldn't try, in Stableford you can take a shot at it - because if you fail, at worst, you get 0 points. And if you make it? The potential rewards are greater than the potential disaster. At the pro events, the Modified format presents even greater incentive to go for it. A birdie is worth twice as many positive points (2) as a bogey is worth punitive points (-1). Eagles offer huge payoffs (5 points). The professionals who thrive at The International and ANZ Championship are those who make a lot of birdies at regular Tour stops. A golfer whose strength is steadiness - making many pars with an occasional birdie - is at a disadvantage in Modified Stableford. Those golfers who make a few bogeys but also make a ton of birdies are more likely to be atop the leaderboards. Using Handicaps in Stableford Competitions When those of us who aren't pros are playing Stableford, we'll need to use our handicaps in order to pile up the points. How many gross birdies will a 20-handicapper make per round? Close to zero. Pars will be pretty scarce, too. It would be difficult for a 20-handicapper to earn many points playing Stableford at scratch. According to the USGA Handicap Manual, Section 9-4b(viii), players in a Stableford competition should use full course handicaps, with strokes taken as they are allocated on the scorecard. There is an alternative way to try to make Stableford equitable for all players, without using handicaps. Rather than applying handicaps, a tournament might be played so that different point totals are awarded to players of different skill levels. Example: A par might be worth 1 point to competitors with handicaps of 2 or less; 2 points for golfers whose handicaps are 3-8; and so on up the ladder. There are two problems with this approach. First, it's tough to figure out what points totals should match which handicap levels in a way that ensures equity for all players. Second, with such an approach keeping score is simply a very confusing task. SW 
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12-10-2007, 18:46
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SW why did you post this? did you do it just to see who was stupid enough to read it? I tried!! but couldn't manage all of it, sorry!!
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12-10-2007, 19:23
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We talked about playing with handicap, and assign ourselves a handicap and play with these rules.
Normally a par give 2 points, birde 3 and boogie 1 etc. How many shots for a par depends on your handicap. The last week I have been given gecko 5 extra shots for a round so we can compete.
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12-10-2007, 21:14
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in ireland........
its 5 for an eagle... 4 for a birdie...... its 3 for a par... 2 for a bogie ...... 1 for a d bogie....
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12-10-2007, 21:19
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We are trying to play figure out a way to score each player without penalizing if you have 1 or 2 really bad holes ie-14 shots!!
It gets kinda complex when you add in handicap etc so any suggestions on how we can achieve this in a simple manner would be most welcome. Gecko
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12-10-2007, 21:20
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The exact reason why i dont play in competitions here in Phuket, it really takes the fun out of golf...play the game with friends and enjoy the time.... take it seriously and thats NOT what golf is about amongst friends....
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12-10-2007, 21:38
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- Stableford. All golfers have a handicap. With Course Rating and Slope a table can be produced (it is mostly in place in the golfclubs) which says how many strokes a golfer gets on the course for his hcp. Then start giving extra strokes to each hole, taking in consideration the stroke index. So each player knows how many strokes he gets on each hole. If he finishes the hole in the allowed number of strokes, he get 2 points. One point extra for each stroke under the allowed amount, 1 point for one stroke more than the allowed and zero for everything above.
Not an official way but easy would be to give every golfer as much strokes extra as his handicap is. Again starting giving the extra strokes taking in consideration the stroke index. Then count as above. This takes the course rating and slope not in consideration. As for Gecko's question, if you have a realy bad hole (like 14) just mark it down as a double or triple boogy on the scorecard. That won't penalise a whole round.
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12-10-2007, 21:46
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Fair comment MW. But it`s also no fun if the same person/people keep getting the lowest score every week,and one of the higher handicappers plays 5-10 lower than their usual score and still doesn`t manage to win. There is always some kind of rivalry in sport,even amongst mates. But it`s always beers and laughs afterwards back in the clubhouse. We are just looking at a way of scoring to show who has played a little better than their usual on the day.
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12-10-2007, 22:14
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Sounds like my kind of game, especially on that bleeding water funpark that Nicke and Dodger took me to. Should be simple as follows I think: 1. decide how many strokes each person is giving to the others, obviously the best player will be only giving and not receiving (no jokes please  ).2. Get the stroke index from the caddies cards and then you know where to apply the strokes. 3. Use IJ's scores for par, birdie etc. as it will make you look a better golfer. Have fun. PS have a secondary competition - who loses the least golf balls 
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12-10-2007, 22:35
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Cheers Sirgezza, that seems like a very straight forward way of doing it. Can you tell me how do you apply the index scoring etc. For example if you are on an index 2 and you are given 5 shots by the other player and par the hole (I wish!!) how many points would you award in this case?
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12-10-2007, 23:02
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I can assure you that it is very relaxed and always good fun on our rounds. The 'friendly rivalry' is part of the fun so you can slag each other off during or after the game.
As The Loop mentioned its nice to be able to say you won when you have had a very good round for your level of skill. You are most welcome to join us this Thursday if you are free, I'm sure you will enjoy it. (There is a 5000 Baht entry fee and there are 1st 2nd and 3rd prizes that will be presented by the captain in the clubhouse afterwards......just kidding!!) 55555 Quote:
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12-10-2007, 23:42
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If one player is giving 6 shots to another, then the holes with an index of 1 - 6 (i.e. the 6 hardest holes on the course) will each get one shot. You will get nothing for holes with index 7,8 and 9 (assume 9 hole course).
If you get 10 shots and you are playing a 9 hole course, then the hole with index 1 will get 2 shots and the other 8 will get 1. I think I am correct but I'm sure I'll soon be corrected if I am wrong.
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12-10-2007, 23:45
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You would get 1 shot knocked off your score, and then apply this to whatever scoring system you have for pars, birdies etc. e.g. par the hole, knock 1 shot off = birdie. Birdie scores 3 so you get 3 points for the hole. Last edited by Sirgezza : 13-10-2007 at 03:45.
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13-10-2007, 01:25
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Exactly. No need to correct.
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13-10-2007, 10:16
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Thanks a lot for explaining that clearly, I think its a very fair way of scoring and will keep everyone in the game even if you have a disasterous hole.
Nicke, The Loop, SweetWilliam (and some other fella we use to play with a long time ago but I forget his name...........D something..........oh yes Dodger!!) what do you think about this for Thursday? Gecko
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13-10-2007, 12:36
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Sounds fine, but you do not need a handicap adjustment card because its simply three quarters of difference when playing single stableford. ie you declare your handicap, the one with the lowest plays off zero, the other player minuses his handicap from the lowest and then recieves 75% of it as a playing handicap to be able to score.
It sounds as if you are favouring the lower handicapper but in reality you are not as you get your handicap by playing all shots on all holes, a higher handicapper usually has a couple of really disasterous holes but the remainder par or bogey. If you have a real disaster under stableford scoring system doesn't matter how many over you shoot on the hole it is still no score. And yes it is my intention to get there this week, health, gf and visa run have stopped me the last 3 weeks, but 'I'll be back!!!'
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15-10-2007, 10:57
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we play the same point scoring system here as Captain suggests.....nil points for net double bogey, 1 for net bogey, 2 for net par, 3 for net birdie, 4 for net eagle etc
and also apply the same system as dodger suggests......work out handicaps if you don't have an official one and then the lowest handicapper is off a handicap of nil and the others are subtracted from his and by using the index card as SG suggests you see the shots you get strokes on...... works fine but a little bit difficult to work out for guys who haven't played a lot of golf
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