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03-07-2006, 16:05
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When it comes to filling in "Section 6 Your Finances and Employment Details" you are saying it's better to write down a little story rather than the truth ?? How do other BMs feel about this ?? Do you think this is this good advice i.e. to lie on a UK Visa application form ??
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03-07-2006, 16:21
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If the girl is currently working as a ****** then yes I think finding some other plausable reason as to her professional status is a better idea. Of course the girl needs to be one competant at telling a lie with conviction not a muppet. For finances they usually simply want proof.. I have always wondered if the more you show the better your treatment ?? I would hope not in an ideal world but I know I have shown some rather large numbers and got pure red carpet from the embassies.. Was that just luck every time ?? Is the world fair.. I dont know.
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03-07-2006, 16:33
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Are you serious.. you honestly see no reason why an embassy would have no difference in policy between a person who makes thier living doing something that is illegal in both countries and much more illegal and MUCH higher paid in the country they are trying to gain access to ?? I fail to believe you really mean that ?? Of course embassies are not likely to hand out visa's to thai ******s and give them access to working in the west. To me I think that would be obvious despite humanitarian ideas of equality. Quote:
Sure 'if caught' I would think that lieing would negate a visa app.. I also think that if asked and she says she earns her money on her back it will do the same.. so kind of a catch 22 with if asked, giving a very high probability (definate?) of NO if she tells the truth, and only a possible No if she is telling a porky and then also caught.. Logic states one way would be definte no and the other maybe no.. I would say the maybe is the way to go. Quote:
Last time was I think last year where I accompanied my brothers (then) GF to get her visa's for UK and Ireland as he was working oin Ireland.. Some minor lies and a fabrication of a relationship and they were both given (she had been to UK and holland and NZ already with bro) and the Ireland one agreed to speed process the app in days instead of weeks becuase we pushed the fact ithad to fit with the agreed broit one.. The irish embassy was pretty easy going bunch I found compared to UK. So far I have done 2 girls to Holland (schengen) 4 or so years ago 1 girl to UK (wifey) 4.5 years back 1 girl to UK and Ireland (above) brothers LT about 1 year to 18 months back I have also been closely involved and aware with all the apps my brother has done which is also 2 girls to Holland and 1 girl NZ / Holland Ireland / UK. All in the last 4 years. Helped sister in law with using a false passport to return to hubby in Europe (against my wished but sister.. Was leant on) and shes now happily married family woman and knew a Thai community in holland many of which were either full time on the game or turning tricks (hence why ******s get harder visa issues).. I know the visa process was recently overhauled with new rules like you cannot accompany them in etc which must hurt girls who are not so confident on thier own. I also hear the UK are thinking of liquidating wireless Rd and having a floor in a new embassy tower type thing.. Things change I agree but I dont think they are open enough to let girls who state they are currently ******s get visa's !!
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03-07-2006, 18:20
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Thanks for the advice but somehow I don't think many people will be following it, especially as I have already proved, or at least my GF has, that there is no need for it. All I can say now, is that in hindsight I am glad that I paid the money to use an agency, rather than listen to your advice on the subject. I would hate to think what would have happened if we had lied on the application form and the embassy had spotted it. Good luck to all those how do follow this advice, because you will need it.
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03-07-2006, 18:44
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Sorry Diz, but your Gf's application didnt prove anything other than they didnt ask her. If they had asked her and she had said "yes I am a BG and I earn money by sleeping with guys" (and by the way I mean that hypothetically.. I am guessing you are sponsering her or shes doing some real job, its not some snide dig at your missus) and they gave her the visa it would have proved something but just not asking says nothing either way.
And yes I personally think that in life total honesty isnt always the route to the greatest success, life isnt always fair, and sometimes you have to make judgement calls on how best to handle difficult info. I still believe that claiming to be a ****** on a Thai girls visa aplication has a almost certain failure rate. I am also pretty certain thats not what the visa application people told her to put down. I know a few guys that have used an agency and part of the agency fee was grooming the girls to handle that question and some even provide wage slips for jobs they didnt do (resturant / etc) so agencies also seem to me to want to fudge the details to a certain extent. If it is so immaterial why would visa application agencies do this ??
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03-07-2006, 18:53
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I am glad that the British Embassy does not have the same low regard for Thai women as you seem to, where would we be then ?
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03-07-2006, 19:06
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What low regard.. I never said all Thai women (your the one saying 'every BM' and claiming every Bm's girlfriend would need to lie and be in this position not me) in Thailand only those that work as BG's.. And yes I believe that claiming the oldest profession as your income would not help any visa application.. I think your nuts if you believe otherwise.
Girls working as a cashier etc usually have a payslip and a tax record and employment history.. That would help.. BG's dont exactly do accounts and hand out reciepts and dont have that back up of any legal employment history. I notice you dont answer any of my questions in this disucssion (such as why agencies coach girls on the interview answers if all they are supposed to do is tell the truth or why they often provide wage histories for a fee ??) only attack without bringing points or reasons forth.
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03-07-2006, 21:30
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Same with me, I wrote in the invitation-letter that we met in a bar in Patong the year before. Where else should I have met her?  She received her visa five days after she applied, I wasn't even there. F
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03-07-2006, 21:37
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Well done.. My buddies wife was turned down (didnt know they could do that to wives) in part because they didnt see a clear employment history and that in turn created what they called 'a lack of evidence that she would return to Thailand after the visa'.
She did a beauty salon course and worked in one and with emplyment history they then granted a future application.
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04-07-2006, 21:12
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Sorry to butt in so late but I've been busy this last few days and missed this one. Without wishing to fire up arguments I also have, and will always share, my opinion on this subject.
My knowledge may well be out of date, so it's entirely possible that things have changed and they will give visas out far more readily than they used to. All I can do though, is relate my own experiences. When we applied for my wife's settlement visa the wait for interview was around six weeks. The consensus among the lawyers and agents, and we consulted several, was that admitting that your girl/wife worked in a bar was the kiss of death to the application; and any future application. I sat in the waiting room while she went for interview, and all the girls (and I mean all) who went to one particular cubicle were turned down by a mean looking Thai lady. Sometimes the process is just the luck of the draw. The following is just my opinion, no more: It's not about your regard for Thai people, the moral high ground or the 'truth', it's about getting your partner through a beurocratic process and on that plane. If they are going to subject me to such humiliating scrutiny because my wife comes from a different country then I am going to do my best to make damn sure I only have to go through the process once, and if that means being selective about the truth then so be it. It's always struck me as a one-shot deal, so you had best get it right first time around. If they turn her down on the grounds that she is a bargirl that is on the record for good; be careful what you admit to. Everyone's experience is different, and no-one's is more valid than anybody elses just because it was a little simpler for them. I've done this, and seen it done many times, and will always offer my opinion on it.
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08-07-2006, 02:06
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of course they would be looked at differently if you were the embassy, and knowing that an attractive girl makes 500-1500usd in a gogo in UK or US and you have a girl that has admitted to being a bg and has gone with guys for 25usd and is suddenly applying for a visa with a guy shes known for 1 year, 2 tops and spent a total of maybe 5months at best, wouldnt you think that there is a slight possiblity that a thai girl will see that she can make enough money in 1 or 2 years to set her up in thailand, so she might screw over soem guy she hardky knows, stay in the country, earn her money until she gets kicked out?
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08-07-2006, 03:28
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Better late than never..... LivinLos i would totally agree with you on this one... Not just about visa's but on life in general sometimes its better to tell a "white" lie than be honest... In reality a bar girl is basically a prostitue..... The question you have to ask yourself.... If your incharge of giving a person a visa to go to your country would you give it to a working girl... The answer has to be a no.... In this case "exagerating the truth" is probably a better bet than telling the embassy " i met her while she was working in xx bar" Thats suicide pure and simple....
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08-07-2006, 19:54
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That's interesting. I've got a very good friend in Holland (Dutch Girl) who has been in the Escort business for a couple of years. She has no problems getting Visa's in case she wants to travel anywhere. You got to ask yourself why Thai girls are treated differently ? Greetings ub2yoo
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08-07-2006, 20:15
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Not a difficcult question. I assume that Dutch people are more or less the same as us (Brits), so how many visas would she need? How many countries has she been to where she needed a visa? And would she put 'prostitute' on the application? You are not comparing like with like there.
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08-07-2006, 20:30
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All true Steve. I'm just gutted with the thought that if a girl has all the best intentions and a chance to get out of it, is basically forced to stay in it - while others with the same history can happily travel the world.
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08-07-2006, 20:37
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All part of the culture shock I guess. I guess some countries would empty out overnight if all the people were allowed to travel freely. I think growing up in Europe, the ease with which we travel etc, it's a surprise that it's not the same for everyone.
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08-07-2006, 21:05
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But it isnt those with the same history is it ?? One is wanting to get out of the 3rd world to come and reap the benefits of the others developed economy and social systems. Its nice to be all humanitarian and how the world should all be equal but people soon start singing the other tune when immigration lets in 1000's of people that under cut job markets, erode work conditions, dont have unions etc.. To achieve these nice thoughts of equality you essentially have to reduce the living standard of the west by allowing anyone to compete, when push comes to shove peoples self preservation doesnt usually mean that they are actually happy to allow anyone in.
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08-07-2006, 21:37
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Hi LOS,
I agree and understand that. Quote:
Yep, I've experienced this in Ireland. I've lived there for 3, 5 years. The Irish are the most friendliest and welcoming ppl you can imaging. Since a couple of East European countries joined the EU, an amazing invasion of Polish and Latvian ppl to Ireland started. Suddenly many of the Irish guys I spoke to were not so friendly & open anymore (have especially a chat with the cab drivers) ? This is an example of invasions from thousands of ppl trying to seek a better life, understandable. But than again, in case a european guy wants to have his love back home in his county where he will take care of her, this should be reviewed on a case by case study based on the capability "Does the guy have enough money to support & secure her" and not the profession of the girl. Greetings ub2yoo
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08-07-2006, 22:53
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So true! And this is actually the way they handle the applications for Schengen-visas. If you (the guy) has a place to live, enough money, prove of some kind of relationship with the girl and have all the required documents, then there should be no reason for her to not get the visa. BG or not. F
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09-07-2006, 01:50
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I actually love this example as its kind of personal.. For generations the Irish have been working as manual labour in UK and Europe (navies through the world in many ways).. As a Irish decendant the workling class Irish semi ruled the construction gangs and docks (my fathers family history) of liverpool and southampton were all 1st or 2nd generation Irish.. Myself in my previous life was a subbie employing 100's of irish boys working illegally and semi legal throughout Europe while the economics were favourable and they could undercut the German and Dutch employment markets.. Its just tickles me to see that as soon as the shoe is on the other foot despite generations of persecution (no blacks, dogs, or irish.. The famous old sign) and generations of doing exactly what the poles, slavs, yugos etc are now doing the Irish suddenly get the same views as other nations have held against them.. Human nature is a funny thing.
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